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Hav

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32. I always found it strange

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 07:12 AM

Feb 2018

Strange in the sense of going against the supposedly perfect creation of a being beyond our understanding. For me, it's just not normal to see a baby being born and having then the thought that what is needed now is to cut its genitals.

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Iceland law to outlaw male circumcision sparks row over religious freedom [View all] Eugene Feb 2018 OP

Some Jews janterry Feb 2018 #1

You have to wonder about the motivation here... HopeAgain Feb 2018 #2

The motivation is to prohibit ritual mutilation Voltaire2 Feb 2018 #3

mutilation HopeAgain Feb 2018 #5

The removal of otherwise healthy flesh sounds like a pretty good definition of mutilation Jake Stern Feb 2018 #10

I was so "mutilated" as a child by the medical profession. HopeAgain Feb 2018 #13

If it was done without medical need then I feel it's mutilation Jake Stern Feb 2018 #17

Such campaigns exist muriel_volestrangler Feb 2018 #18

You obviously know a lot about medicine. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2018 #33

Im sure you see a lot more infections from people getting pierced... HopeAgain Feb 2018 #38

Nice pivot. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2018 #39

Okay, so if we are talking consent HopeAgain Feb 2018 #43

Look harder. Pope George Ringo II Feb 2018 #44

You're not thinking this through. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2018 #45

General Sir Charles Napier had a beautiful quote on religious liberty in that context Pope George Ringo II Feb 2018 #46

I am thinking this through HopeAgain Feb 2018 #47

No, you're not. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2018 #48

You seem incapable of understanding HopeAgain Feb 2018 #51

Sati was over two thousand years old when it was ended Pope George Ringo II Feb 2018 #52

I'm not talking in absolutes, why are you? HopeAgain Feb 2018 #55

You're making the argument that age imparts validity. Pope George Ringo II Feb 2018 #58

Not when you kill somebody, of course not HopeAgain Feb 2018 #59

Actually...go right ahead and say I'm advocating that. Pope George Ringo II Feb 2018 #60

Now we have come to the crux of the disagreement HopeAgain Feb 2018 #61

I can dismiss it out of hand, but that's actually not what's at play here. Pope George Ringo II Feb 2018 #63

I think most men who've been circumcised as infants Mariana Feb 2018 #68

And what if a little girl discovers her penis was circumcised? Reimer wasn't about religion, but... Pope George Ringo II Feb 2018 #70

Answer me one thing. trotsky Feb 2018 #66

In your analogy, can they choose not to dress nice when they grow up? AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #81

Why do I seem that way? Act_of_Reparation Feb 2018 #53

I'll identify myself as an atheist in this thread Pope George Ringo II Feb 2018 #49

I hired you to help me start a war.Its a prestigious line of work with a long and glorious tradition AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #83

I was actually considering piracy Pope George Ringo II Feb 2018 #86

I can't help but see it from the perspective of the infant Mariana Feb 2018 #50

If it was an important cultural component, they'd still choose to do it when they reach the age of AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #80

As we see every time this issue comes up, trotsky Feb 2018 #82

You seriously think a guy, circumcized as an infant... Beartracks Feb 2018 #54

Well, it does happen. Therefore, seriously thinking that reality happened only makes sense. Pope George Ringo II Feb 2018 #56

Well that's eye-opening. I guess I just don't base my manhood... Beartracks Feb 2018 #62

It's one of those things I doubt anybody gives a second thought Pope George Ringo II Feb 2018 #64

But what is curious to me is how that happens. Beartracks Feb 2018 #65

Some guys have psych issues about it, especially as adolescents in the locker room Pope George Ringo II Feb 2018 #67

58% of American babies are still circumcised. HopeAgain Feb 2018 #72

They basically wimped out in certain circumstances. Pope George Ringo II Feb 2018 #73

Again, going to the extremes. HopeAgain Feb 2018 #74

Is it about the majority? Or about the traditional ones? Which is your priority here? Pope George Ringo II Feb 2018 #76

The actual tradition is to have a Mohil Voltaire2 Feb 2018 #88

We're definitely about to see if fetishizing custom and tradition really matters. Pope George Ringo II Feb 2018 #93

I know one kid that grew up teased mercilessly because his was cut improperly. AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #85

I don't see how circumcised infants could develop more sensitivity. Mariana Feb 2018 #69

The loss of sensation is due to the removal of highly ennervated tissue. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2018 #71

When you cut nerves, there's desensitization. Cut nerves are cut. I know that's a AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #84

The majority would not. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2018 #57

I wish I was not. AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #79

Ten thousand nerve endings. AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #78

+1 nt Tree-Hugger Feb 2018 #90

I doubt it's anit-semitism. A lot of people are simply opposed Mariana Feb 2018 #11

Yes. California_Republic Feb 2018 #77

+1 nt Tree-Hugger Feb 2018 #91

Agreed. guillaumeb Feb 2018 #20

So in your opinion, is there any valid reason to be opposed to infant circumcision? trotsky Feb 2018 #75

The AAP edhopper Feb 2018 #4

I suspect some bigotry is behind this. nt HopeAgain Feb 2018 #7

Right? Those notoriously bigoted Icelanders Jake Stern Feb 2018 #16

Icelanders can't have prejudices? HopeAgain Feb 2018 #21

Ascribing bigotry to this law without proof is like arguing that Amish can be hackers Jake Stern Feb 2018 #22

How else could they be so culturally insensitive? HopeAgain Feb 2018 #23

Jews or Muslims or any other men Mariana Feb 2018 #24

Since you obviously don't understand HopeAgain Feb 2018 #25

Yes, yes, the religious and cultural significance Mariana Feb 2018 #30

Adult men and women should be allowed Mariana Feb 2018 #6

This is really the best argument against it Pope George Ringo II Feb 2018 #8

Refused to put my son through the Brit Milah Jake Stern Feb 2018 #9

Are you in favor of banning it being done to children? Mariana Feb 2018 #12

With the exception of medical need, yes Jake Stern Feb 2018 #15

I agree. nt. Mariana Feb 2018 #19

+1 nt Tree-Hugger Feb 2018 #92

Is this circumcision month on DU? MineralMan Feb 2018 #14

Amazing to realize the argument has gone on since Biblical times. JohnnyLib2 Feb 2018 #27

Just an FYI for the debate dhol82 Feb 2018 #26

How about promoting condoms or PrEP to prevent HIV? Not mutilating all males. bitterross Feb 2018 #29

Benefit is contextual, not general. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2018 #34

It also is not relevant to imposing it Voltaire2 Feb 2018 #96

We have pretty much come to the conclusion that female cutting/circumcision is wrong bitterross Feb 2018 #28

So it really is about 'religious freedom', and not a medical necessity eh? AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #31

It certainly isn't about the "religious freedom" of the children. Mariana Feb 2018 #94

I always found it strange Hav Feb 2018 #32

Guardian headline is bullshitty. Voltaire2 Feb 2018 #35

Childhood is when Jewish and Muslim males are usually circumcised. Eugene Feb 2018 #36

Yes. But the headline infers a total ban. Voltaire2 Feb 2018 #37

I was born in 1945, and grew up in a very small town MineralMan Feb 2018 #40

There's no question that circumcision is an amputation. Mariana Feb 2018 #41

True. I don't dispute that at all. MineralMan Feb 2018 #42

While you are deliberating this issue... TwistOneUp Feb 2018 #87

Yes that is super fucked up. Voltaire2 Feb 2018 #89

A serious point. And one that is further complicated by the religious mores applied upon AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #95