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7. Really? Who would have guessed that?

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Tue May 15, 2012, 11:59 AM

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I’m Not Quitting the Church [View all] cbayer May 2012 OP

Well, E.J. is wrong .... earthside May 2012 #1

"Mah Honey only hit me the once. He's a good man really. He works hard. He won't beat me...again" dmallind May 2012 #2

"I know he's a bully, but he likes ME". PassingFair May 2012 #3

Godwin's law is a farce Phlem May 2012 #8

No comment from you?? Angry Dragon May 2012 #4

Sure. I found it interesting to read a counter reply to the FFRF ad. cbayer May 2012 #5

I tend to be on the side of FFRF Angry Dragon May 2012 #6

Really? Who would have guessed that? cbayer May 2012 #7

Yes Angry Dragon May 2012 #11

Interesting? Yes, but only as interesting as it is flawed. (nt) eqfan592 May 2012 #16

And only as flawed as the FFRF ad, imo. cbayer May 2012 #17

To a degree perhaps. eqfan592 May 2012 #18

I see it as a very complicated decision that individuals have to make while weighing cbayer May 2012 #19

Nobody ever said the decision would be easy or simple. eqfan592 May 2012 #20

They also see that they are supporting the good acts of the church. cbayer May 2012 #21

Thats the problem. rrneck May 2012 #38

I do see your point. eqfan592 May 2012 #40

So, let me ask you this. cbayer May 2012 #83

I think liberal Christians should be Episcopalians Goblinmonger May 2012 #84

I've seen you talk about liberal christian churches. I'm sure any one of them would welcome... eqfan592 May 2012 #86

While I have a fondness for the UU churches, they really don't fill the needs of true cbayer May 2012 #90

I believe they were asking people to leave the RCC, not all churches in general. eqfan592 May 2012 #94

I do know some christians who participate in UU churches, and you are correct. cbayer May 2012 #105

Two questions about something you just said... laconicsax May 2012 #106

Simply, people want to congregate and worship with other people who share their cbayer May 2012 #117

Thanks, that's what I thought you may have meant. n/t laconicsax May 2012 #138

I have been telling Catholics for a very long time now, SheilaT May 2012 #9

The problem with E. J. Dionne, Jr. and others like him... rexcat May 2012 #10

Me either. rug May 2012 #12

Had much luck changing the Church yet? laconicsax May 2012 #13

That's not my priority. rug May 2012 #14

So what is it then? laconicsax May 2012 #15

Yes, that's it precisely. rug May 2012 #22

What are you doing to stop this homophobic and misogynistic institution AlbertCat May 2012 #23

Thank you for speaking for laconicsax. rug May 2012 #24

Among other things, I don't associate with it, defend it online, or support it financially. laconicsax May 2012 #25

Yes, those are things you do not do. rug May 2012 #26

Do I need to prove that I work against the Church more than you support it? laconicsax May 2012 #27

As a matter of fact, yes, since the subject you broach is personal hypocrisy. rug May 2012 #28

Ah, you're going to try the tu quoque route. laconicsax May 2012 #31

I'm merely following you. rug May 2012 #34

You stopped following me after you dodged my question in #15. laconicsax May 2012 #36

It's a bogus question as you well know. rug May 2012 #37

Sorry, rug. This isn't about me. laconicsax May 2012 #39

No, this particular subthread is entirely about you. rug May 2012 #43

No, rug. You may have been trying to make it about me, but it isn't and never was. laconicsax May 2012 #44

Wow. trotsky May 2012 #47

Tell me this. rug May 2012 #48

Sorry, but your premise is false. eqfan592 May 2012 #51

You can try to keep pointing that out to him... trotsky May 2012 #52

Oh, good. Tell me what corner I'm in. rug May 2012 #55

That's his premise not mine. rug May 2012 #53

Impressive. Masterful, even. daaron May 2012 #60

What is his argument? rug May 2012 #61

Well, following the subthread back Goblinmonger May 2012 #63

Following it forward, rug May 2012 #66

You keep using that word... eqfan592 May 2012 #72

Let me check. rug May 2012 #77

No it wasn't about that. Goblinmonger May 2012 #80

Therefore belonging to a "sexist and homophobic" institution makes its members sexist and homophobic rug May 2012 #97

Well since you asked for it twice, here it is twice. Goblinmonger May 2012 #100

"You may or may not be sexist and homophobic." rug May 2012 #101

Yep, that's true. Goblinmonger May 2012 #109

Therefore practicing Catholics are, ipso facto, supporters of bigotry? rug May 2012 #112

Yes. If they support the church with time and money Goblinmonger May 2012 #116

How does one support bigotry without being a bigot? rug May 2012 #118

Here's a way. Goblinmonger May 2012 #123

And why would a truly progressive liberal (not to be confused with a true progressive liberal) rug May 2012 #125

I have no idea. Why do you? n/t Goblinmonger May 2012 #127

Which is it? Are you calling me a truly progressive liberal, a supporter of bigotry, rug May 2012 #130

Well Goblinmonger May 2012 #134

So, since your effort to get a post hidden has failed Goblinmonger May 2012 #137

For one thing, I reject your description. rug May 2012 #139

So it isn't a hate group when it comes Goblinmonger May 2012 #154

Are you calling me a supporter of bigotry? rug May 2012 #121

Well, if I am correct in assuming that Goblinmonger May 2012 #124

And do you call any Catholic who attends Mass and donates a supporter of bigotry? rug May 2012 #128

I don't go out of my way to "call" them that Goblinmonger May 2012 #129

Do you consider Catholics who remain Catholic to be supporters of bigotry? rug May 2012 #131

How many times do I need to answer this? Goblinmonger May 2012 #133

Heads up, someone's trying to knock you out of this thread.... Eyerish May 2012 #135

Yep, I knew that was where it was headed. Goblinmonger May 2012 #136

Not exactly a counter to the point made. eqfan592 May 2012 #110

What is the point made? rug May 2012 #119

I am very confused by you. cbayer May 2012 #82

I can't agree with the implication that one must be an atheist in order to make the point made by... eqfan592 May 2012 #85

I suppose I could clarify, but nobody's going to like it. daaron May 2012 #92

You can post wherever you want. cbayer May 2012 #98

Thanks & no problem. daaron May 2012 #107

Ignoring your false dilemma... trotsky May 2012 #35

Well put. nt eqfan592 May 2012 #41

If you look at the facts, the Church is growing, not shrinking, numerically and globally. rug May 2012 #42

Yes, of course it's growing in the third world. trotsky May 2012 #46

"What difference has it made for liberal Catholics to 'fight from within'?" rug May 2012 #49

I'm sorry you refuse to see the damage your church is doing. trotsky May 2012 #50

Stick with a). rug May 2012 #54

WTF? trotsky May 2012 #56

So there is nothing else? Is that correct? rug May 2012 #57

It's attitude toward birth control in the 3rd World. Goblinmonger May 2012 #58

Its attitude toward birth control in the third world is the same as its attitude all over the world. rug May 2012 #59

So when they tell people in Africa Goblinmonger May 2012 #62

Sure that's a problem. But it's a problem easily dealt with. rug May 2012 #64

Why hasn't it been dealt with, then? trotsky May 2012 #68

Maybe you should ask the governments where it's happening. rug May 2012 #70

The Catholic Church wields too much power. trotsky May 2012 #73

I thought you claimed it had no secular power. rug May 2012 #76

Nope, never said that. trotsky May 2012 #88

Get back to me when you solve it. n/t Goblinmonger May 2012 #78

Not my job. rug May 2012 #79

So keep giving your time and money to the organization. Goblinmonger May 2012 #81

Therefore, Catholics must leave the Catholic Church or they're bigots? rug May 2012 #96

Nope. Goblinmonger May 2012 #99

Therefore, those that attend Mass and put their money in the basket are bigots? rug May 2012 #103

I don't know if they are bigots because I don't know them. Goblinmonger May 2012 #111

Practicing Catrholics are enablers of bigotry? rug May 2012 #114

There's plenty more! trotsky May 2012 #65

Where is it? rug May 2012 #67

Your game isn't working. trotsky May 2012 #69

Because that's all you've got. rug May 2012 #71

Keep trying to play your game. At least everyone else sees it for the ruse it is. trotsky May 2012 #74

Uh huh. rug May 2012 #75

Actually, the person going to lengths is you. trotsky May 2012 #89

Demur all you want. Calling Catholics enablers of a ciminal hate group is bigotry. rug May 2012 #95

Even if you are enabling a hate group? Goblinmonger May 2012 #102

Are you now equating the RCC with the KKK? rug May 2012 #104

No, your attempts to make this about me are getting more desperate. Goblinmonger May 2012 #113

Your analogy compared the RCC to the KKK. rug May 2012 #115

No, it didn't. Goblinmonger May 2012 #120

Speaking of obfuscation, explain how a supporter of bigotry is not a bigot. rug May 2012 #122

How about you just focus on one Goblinmonger May 2012 #126

I'm responding to your posts to me. rug May 2012 #132

Wait...you're demanding that Goblinmonger explain how your actions don't make you a bigot? laconicsax May 2012 #140

If you keep twisting words you'll hurt your neck. rug May 2012 #141

I'll give an answer, even though you didn't ask it directly of me (yet). trotsky May 2012 #143

So, only Catholics who are not members of the Catholic Church do not support bigotry? rug May 2012 #146

Oh, Catholics who are not members of the church (which is a bit contradictory, but whatever)... trotsky May 2012 #147

On that note of clarity, I'll depart. rug May 2012 #148

Sorry to see you give up. trotsky May 2012 #150

Goblinmonger already explained how you aren't necessarily a bigot and you attacked him. laconicsax May 2012 #151

So you believe that Catholics may belong to the Catholic Church and be neither bigots nor enablers. rug May 2012 #152

Everything I've posted in this thread is consistent. laconicsax May 2012 #153

Definition time trotsky May 2012 #142

These are easy. rug May 2012 #145

I'd like you to explain how giving your time and money to your church DOESN'T give it power trotsky May 2012 #149

If you hadn't been born Catholic, would you become one? n/t dimbear May 2012 #29

My best friend in New Orleans did. And my son is probably going to. cbayer May 2012 #30

I know it happens, people do enter the church of their own volition, but that's trending down. dimbear May 2012 #32

I'm not sure about trends. cbayer May 2012 #33

My parents are rather proud lapsed Catholics... Humanist_Activist May 2012 #45

If you plan to stay in the Church...why do you disobey it? brooklynite May 2012 #87

You are directing this at the author of the article, right? cbayer May 2012 #91

Yes, but I think it applies to any Liberal Catholic brooklynite May 2012 #93

It's often a conflict. Many American Catholics don't hew to all the Vatican edicts. pinto May 2012 #108

An important quote here: trotsky May 2012 #144

The guy misses the point ButterflyBlood May 2012 #155