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122. And all of the talk about dark forces and other things can be represented by an unknown

Reply to Lint Head (Reply #104)

Mon Mar 5, 2018, 04:00 PM

Mar 2018

and scientifically unknowable Creator.

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I have an Idea Regarding What Came Before the Big Bang [View all] guillaumeb Mar 2018 OP

The creation of something from nothing or California_Republic Mar 2018 #1

We cannot prove anything about what happened prior to what we see as guillaumeb Mar 2018 #2

Right now we cant. Eko Mar 2018 #4

Anything IS possible. eom guillaumeb Mar 2018 #9

You have a very fundamental misunderstanding of science marylandblue Mar 2018 #15

Perhaps it is you who misunderstands, guillaumeb Mar 2018 #21

In terms of science, no marylandblue Mar 2018 #24

It is not what is taught, it is what is learned. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #25

I learned a lot marylandblue Mar 2018 #39

But you did not learn everything. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #40

I learned where the evidence points marylandblue Mar 2018 #43

A primordial nothing? guillaumeb Mar 2018 #50

Nothing is actually a physical quantity marylandblue Mar 2018 #72

I do not understand how nothing can have a physical quality. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #76

Well, one way to think about it comparing it to empty space marylandblue Mar 2018 #92

This argument also shows the limitations of language. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #114

This message was self-deleted by its author pangaia Mar 2018 #82

Hip Hip.... pangaia Mar 2018 #85

The Big Bang does not equal Something from Nothing TlalocW Mar 2018 #99

Here's mine. Eko Mar 2018 #3

Where did the matter come from that formed all of these black holes? eom guillaumeb Mar 2018 #10

From the previous universe. Eko Mar 2018 #17

Exactly. An infinite number of previous explosions, expansions, and contractions. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #22

Yes. Eko Mar 2018 #28

Yes, it could be something else. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #29

This is where Athiests like me dont understand you, Eko Mar 2018 #42

You did misunderstand. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #48

Nope. Eko Mar 2018 #51

It is a belief. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #57

Straight from you. Eko Mar 2018 #58

I am posing questions about what you wrote. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #61

This is a dialogue? Eko Mar 2018 #65

I cannot prove what I have faith in. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #68

Yes, that is your belief. Eko Mar 2018 #70

You are correct. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #73

You werent just posing questions, you wanted evidence. Eko Mar 2018 #75

I did apologize, in #66 guillaumeb Mar 2018 #78

You apologized for saying I said something I did not. Eko Mar 2018 #80

I apologized, guillaumeb Mar 2018 #83

No you didnt. Eko Mar 2018 #87

Science, to simplify it, deals with reality. pangaia Mar 2018 #94

True. And science hypothesizes about what it does not know. eom guillaumeb Mar 2018 #115

I do not think you understood the full meaning of that quote. pangaia Mar 2018 #128

Science is, to simplify it, what is true, or a search for what is true. pangaia Mar 2018 #95

Its almost like Eko Mar 2018 #81

We cannot debate faith and science. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #84

We arent. Eko Mar 2018 #88

In principio erat verbum, they say. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2018 #5

They also continue: guillaumeb Mar 2018 #11

And: The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2018 #13

My Latin was limited to serving at Mass, guillaumeb Mar 2018 #19

I'm not even Catholic, but I've been singing in choirs for a long time, The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2018 #23

I have never sung in choirs, guillaumeb Mar 2018 #31

Well, dip me in chawklit! I had four years of Latin in H.S. sprinkleeninow Mar 2018 #103

Faith Ron Obvious Mar 2018 #6

If you find it of no value, discard it. eom guillaumeb Mar 2018 #12

Thus remains my claim that non-overlapping magisteria is rubbish. longship Mar 2018 #7

NOMA is rubbish to those who disagree with the premise. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #14

There's that word again. Faith. longship Mar 2018 #96

And you. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #116

That's one with whom I have faith, my friend. longship Mar 2018 #125

Right on! sprinkleeninow Mar 2018 #135

"suspension of disbelief" is a phrase from literary criticism marylandblue Mar 2018 #8

The phrase "willing suspension of disbelief", coined by S.T. Coleridege, guillaumeb Mar 2018 #16

It's also called "believing what you know ain't so" eom marylandblue Mar 2018 #18

Can anyone believe what they truly know cannot be? guillaumeb Mar 2018 #20

Sure why not? We are not logical creatures. marylandblue Mar 2018 #26

Most of us feel that we are logical. We even write about it. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #27

I am not a logical person, but I can use logic. marylandblue Mar 2018 #36

I think that we use both logic and emotion. We cannot do otherwise. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #38

Generally speaking, we are more like to use emotion when we think we are using reason marylandblue Mar 2018 #41

Coleridege (sic) would not like your application of his term. Cuthbert Allgood Mar 2018 #110

I will ask Coleridge when I see him. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #119

And never the twain shall meet-at least not at this point in time. Science is evidence-based. cornball 24 Mar 2018 #30

And I also. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #33

Under this hypothesis, the matter always existed marylandblue Mar 2018 #44

Where did the matter come from? guillaumeb Mar 2018 #53

Why did it have to come from somewhere? marylandblue Mar 2018 #64

Seriously? Eko Mar 2018 #46

Unanswerable by me. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #54

No but you will happily believe in a god Eko Mar 2018 #56

Do you happily believe in this matter that guillaumeb Mar 2018 #59

Where did I say anything about Eko Mar 2018 #62

My apologies. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #66

I provided exactly where the matter came from. Eko Mar 2018 #47

You provided a theory. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #55

Who put god there? Eko Mar 2018 #60

Are we both now arguing from belief? guillaumeb Mar 2018 #63

And yours depends on God just lying around. Eko Mar 2018 #67

It does, and I acknowledge that. eom guillaumeb Mar 2018 #69

See? Eko Mar 2018 #71

My questions are not meant to be condescending. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #74

The thing is we can see nature do that every day. Eko Mar 2018 #49

Any math to support that, guillaumb? MineralMan Mar 2018 #32

Read #33. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #34

So, your answer is no... MineralMan Mar 2018 #35

If you read #33, you have my argument. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #37

I believe Proud liberal 80 Mar 2018 #45

I agree, and so did the one who expounded the Big bang theory. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #52

Well looky here. Thank you. Genesis and B.B.T. sprinkleeninow Mar 2018 #105

What came before the Big Bang... Kablooie Mar 2018 #77

As long as it was not a Trump owned restaurant. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #79

Ya caint say bang around these parts. sprinkleeninow Mar 2018 #107

Or it was the combination of big and bang. eom guillaumeb Mar 2018 #118

What iffen thee scientists posited it was a smallish bang sprinkleeninow Mar 2018 #130

Picture this: (Pulls up to fast food drive-in window): "I'll have a bang and make it a big one." sprinkleeninow Mar 2018 #131

Current Cosmological Thinking kurtcagle Mar 2018 #86

Where did the matter come from that makes up the universe? guillaumeb Mar 2018 #89

Simply leaving it at that... tonedevil Mar 2018 #113

Yes, it is a faith based story. I admitted that. eom guillaumeb Mar 2018 #124

I interpreted you as... tonedevil Mar 2018 #126

Understood. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #127

The word 'postulating' sounds a tad sprinkleeninow Mar 2018 #132

As in... tonedevil Mar 2018 #134

"I had too much to dream last nite." sprinkleeninow Mar 2018 #137

What is beyond the edge of the cosmos if there is an edge. sprinkleeninow Mar 2018 #106

A ridiculous childish bit of rubbish. Voltaire2 Mar 2018 #90

I cannot tell you how much this response added to the conversation. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #91

There is no conversation here. Voltaire2 Mar 2018 #98

No there is no conversation. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #117

Before the bang. Thedemby Mar 2018 #93

Thedemby, meet Kablooie. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #120

Another view of why "faith" is an inadequate answer marylandblue Mar 2018 #97

Great info, marylandblue.. Permanut Mar 2018 #101

What if there is a 'Busdriver', wouldja bee happy? sprinkleeninow Mar 2018 #133

It's best to never embrace faith TlalocW Mar 2018 #100

Big Bang theory was formulated by LeMaitre TygrBright Mar 2018 #102

His science may be correct, but his faith still be incorrect. marylandblue Mar 2018 #108

True, and I have pointed this out. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #121

Interesting. Taking theology in college was one if my favorite classes. Lint Head Mar 2018 #104

And all of the talk about dark forces and other things can be represented by an unknown guillaumeb Mar 2018 #122

Nothing personal, I'm going to stick with Hawkins. Cuthbert Allgood Mar 2018 #109

Says you. AtheistCrusader Mar 2018 #111

Yes, I did. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #123

NOMA is about the nature of the questions, not the nature of the answers. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2018 #112

A big fuse? Sneederbunk Mar 2018 #129

Trump has a shorter fuse. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #136