Religion

ollie10

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81. counter-productive

Mon Mar 5, 2018, 04:14 PM

Mar 2018

"In general, when an atheist argues against religion, it is not with the intent of replacing religion with "atheism", it's to get people to stop and THINK rather than simply absorb their beliefs wholesale from Fox News or Breitbart. "

If you are wanting to get people to stop and think rather than absorb Fox and Breitbart, it might be a good idea to keep your eyes on the ball.

The far right would LIKE to paint you as attacking religion!!!! Nothing would HELP them MORE than to see their political opponents attacking RELIGION....rather than arguing for thinking. Heck, even if you are indeed arguing for thinking, they would probably try to paint you as attacking religion....why do their work for them?

Much better to argue for thinking than against religion. Argue for diversity, argue for freedom of speech, against the establishment of religion, argue against closed mindedness.....but when you attack religion per se....you are hurting your own cause.

Unless you are really wanting Breitbart and Fox and Co to win.......

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Must Atheists Trash Religion? [View all] newcriminal Mar 2018 OP

Here we go again Cartoonist Mar 2018 #1

I must have missed where he said "atheists should shut up". newcriminal Mar 2018 #2

Excellent point! ollie10 Mar 2018 #5

I'm happy to Cartoonist Mar 2018 #8

Then there's that same lie about what "tolerance" means. Mariana Mar 2018 #14

so if someone condemned atheists for having their opinions, that would not be intolerance? ollie10 Mar 2018 #20

Speaking of strawmen. Cuthbert Allgood Mar 2018 #27

Atheists are condemned all the time by religious leaders Mariana Mar 2018 #30

Sure, atheists are condemned by (some) religious leaders (not all) ollie10 Mar 2018 #32

We should respect Republicans' opinions, then? Mariana Mar 2018 #38

I think we should be respectful for everyone. Tribalism sucks. ollie10 Mar 2018 #41

Please don't change the subject. Mariana Mar 2018 #45

you asked whether republican's opinions should be respected and all religions? ollie10 Mar 2018 #51

This message was self-deleted by its author Matt_R Mar 2018 #124

Who said anything about lies? ollie10 Mar 2018 #132

Flat-earth IS a lie. We should not respect it just because someone calls it religion. SunSeeker Mar 2018 #187

it wasn't a reference to IQ.... ollie10 Mar 2018 #192

I do not find resistance to lies depressing. nt SunSeeker Mar 2018 #193

You misinterpreted ollie10 Mar 2018 #195

That is not what you said in post #51. Mariana Mar 2018 #204

In #51 I said... ollie10 Mar 2018 #214

Opinions are not people. Mariana Mar 2018 #218

You have an interesting view of what dishonesty is ollie10 Mar 2018 #228

We can't communicate at all Mariana Mar 2018 #234

Let me try to make it as clear as I can ollie10 Mar 2018 #235

Respecting people's rights to their beliefs, opinions and ideas Mariana Mar 2018 #239

I agree with much of what you said ollie10 Mar 2018 #241

"Religious rights don't mean taking other people's rights away." trotsky Mar 2018 #310

I have made it clear that we should respect the rights of non-religious people AND ollie10 Mar 2018 #313

Listen up for the last fucking time. trotsky Mar 2018 #314

Wow you sure can SHOUT! ollie10 Mar 2018 #316

Back on ignore you go then. n/t trotsky Mar 2018 #317

This message was self-deleted by its author ollie10 Mar 2018 #318

Trotsky clearly wants you to knock off the dishonesty. Mariana Mar 2018 #324

Coulda fooled me! ollie10 Mar 2018 #326

This needs to be posted on every "waah, why can't atheists respect my religion?" thread: trotsky Mar 2018 #309

This message was self-deleted by its author Matt_R Mar 2018 #388

Hey, Ollie, someone downthread is attacking the concept of atheism Mariana Mar 2018 #121

GASP!!!!Are you now telling me who I should respond to? Control freak much? ollie10 Mar 2018 #131

Ollie, Ollie, Ollie. Mariana Mar 2018 #206

My response to you is that I simply asked a question! ollie10 Mar 2018 #213

The answer to your questions is no. nt. Mariana Mar 2018 #247

Are those the only alternatives to "trash"? newcriminal Mar 2018 #61

No, you still missed it. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #63

we all want tolerance for "our side"....the other side? not so much ollie10 Mar 2018 #333

I'm happy to be tolerant... TwistOneUp Mar 2018 #126

How exactly would an atheist talk about religion ExciteBike66 Mar 2018 #10

Hopefully, with intelligence, knowledge, and nuance. newcriminal Mar 2018 #64

Anything intelligent an atheist has to say about religion ExciteBike66 Mar 2018 #74

If one thinks religion is nothing but hooey, there is no point in discussing it. Or even lingering. newcriminal Mar 2018 #82

Whoa ExciteBike66 Mar 2018 #86

There is no evidence for belief in creator gods Voltaire2 Mar 2018 #92

There is certainly evidence of religious practice that is at least 70,000 years old. newcriminal Mar 2018 #97

Read what I wrote. Voltaire2 Mar 2018 #176

Wait, you thik anything an atheist says on religion is "BY DEFINITION" "condemnation"? newcriminal Mar 2018 #100

It seems to me that nonbelief is certainly a predicate in all of our opinions on religion. ExciteBike66 Mar 2018 #130

I relate it to Roman religions. newcriminal Mar 2018 #137

Several points ExciteBike66 Mar 2018 #145

A side point: Given all you've said, why did you choose the Venus of Willenorf as your avatar? newcriminal Mar 2018 #146

It was more or less selected at random from a list of choices. ExciteBike66 Mar 2018 #153

It's a really interesting artifact - and pertinent. newcriminal Mar 2018 #154

100,000 years? TwistOneUp Mar 2018 #172

I'm not a literalist. newcriminal Mar 2018 #207

That's interesting. Neither is guillaumeb, or so he says. MineralMan Mar 2018 #221

Neither is a large number of Christians ollie10 Mar 2018 #329

Why would it surprise me? MineralMan Mar 2018 #330

I see...if you are a literalist that isbad if you aren't, that is bad ollie10 Mar 2018 #331

I said nothing about good and bad. MineralMan Mar 2018 #332

I missed that part too. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #62

Aww! Poor religion! JNelson6563 Mar 2018 #3

Yes, isn't thin-skinned writing pathetic? newcriminal Mar 2018 #4

Ouch!! eom guillaumeb Mar 2018 #65

Talk about a two way street /nt tonedevil Mar 2018 #112

Postulating over here now? sprinkleeninow Mar 2018 #127

I go where... tonedevil Mar 2018 #259

😆 sprinkleeninow Mar 2018 #261

so diatribes are bad and calling people cross dragging stinky pantload is not heading down bad path? ollie10 Mar 2018 #6

You might reread the post. Mariana Mar 2018 #12

Who is it then who drags crosses? Robots? ollie10 Mar 2018 #17

Ideas can certainly be described as cross-dragging. Mariana Mar 2018 #22

I have a better idea ollie10 Mar 2018 #25

So it's not "shut up" exactly, Cuthbert Allgood Mar 2018 #29

I think you misunderstood my point.... ollie10 Mar 2018 #31

No, I got it. Atheists have been hearing if for a long time. Goes like this: Cuthbert Allgood Mar 2018 #33

straw man....I didn't say that ollie10 Mar 2018 #34

You didn't say those exact words. Cuthbert Allgood Mar 2018 #36

I am sorry you misunderstood ollie10 Mar 2018 #37

Thank you. Here is where I think things normally go wrong. Cuthbert Allgood Mar 2018 #47

I think part of the problem is that people want others to agree with them ollie10 Mar 2018 #49

You are more charitable than I am. Mariana Mar 2018 #56

+1000000000000 atreides1 Mar 2018 #43

when/if I get at anything....please let me know! ollie10 Mar 2018 #44

Ah, so he didn't say those words but you don't like his "tone" and "approach". newcriminal Mar 2018 #66

Not under the guise of anything JNelson6563 Mar 2018 #42

We should not reject religion for its oddities. We should reject it for its flaws. DetlefK Mar 2018 #7

So you question whether people should be religious? ollie10 Mar 2018 #18

We humans entertain all sorts of follies. Religion is the only folly that's supposedly not a folly. DetlefK Mar 2018 #23

well, in a disrespectful way, you call religion a folly ollie10 Mar 2018 #28

How would you convince a non-religious child that religion is something of worth? DetlefK Mar 2018 #46

A respectful discussion may be productive.... ollie10 Mar 2018 #48

I have no problem with people who actually try to apply the teachings of Jesus Va Lefty Mar 2018 #9

I agree safeinOhio Mar 2018 #11

I feel that way too marylandblue Mar 2018 #13

Yeah well the teachings of Jesus are pretty Voltaire2 Mar 2018 #15

as well as the teachings of those who don't believe in religion.... ollie10 Mar 2018 #19

Well no that isnt always the case. Voltaire2 Mar 2018 #59

but non-religious people range from Sagan to Trump..... ollie10 Mar 2018 #67

Sure, but again we have lots of good Voltaire2 Mar 2018 #91

To say the Bible is open to several different interpretations is one thing.... ollie10 Mar 2018 #94

Ok, lets taje some concrete examples of Voltaire2 Mar 2018 #95

Hold on a minute. Mariana Mar 2018 #96

No true Scotsman? /nt tonedevil Mar 2018 #114

Just a hunch.... ollie10 Mar 2018 #133

So what. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2018 #138

Trump says he is religious.....OK, and what if I say I am Mr Universe? ollie10 Mar 2018 #141

I'm sure the NABBA keeps accurate records of who has been awarded the Mr. Universe title. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2018 #142

Well if you are trying to convince me that Donald Trump is a very religious man.... ollie10 Mar 2018 #143

No one is saying Donald Trump is a candidate for sainthood. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2018 #149

I have shown several biblical references that call his so-called faith in doubt ollie10 Mar 2018 #152

And around we go. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2018 #155

When you can stop putting words in my mouth, we can continue ollie10 Mar 2018 #156

Or you could start making sense. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2018 #157

No I have not made bigoted statements against non-religious people...Name ONE!!!! ollie10 Mar 2018 #162

Every post in this subthread. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2018 #164

well to all those who behave like trump....my sympathies ollie10 Mar 2018 #166

And what of the non-religious who do not behave like Trump? Act_of_Reparation Mar 2018 #167

I am not doing that ollie10 Mar 2018 #169

I know you *think* you're not doing that. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2018 #170

No, I doubt if anyone here is even remotely similar to Trump ollie10 Mar 2018 #173

And I doubt anyone here is going to continue... Act_of_Reparation Mar 2018 #198

I have no idea what you are saying ollie10 Mar 2018 #200

That's not unusual, if memory serves. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2018 #205

I think you may have me mistaken for someone else! ollie10 Mar 2018 #215

I doubt it. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2018 #217

I love those one line insinutations! ollie10 Mar 2018 #223

I doubt that, too. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2018 #224

If there is something specific you would want to say ollie10 Mar 2018 #226

people who behave like Trump cannot be religious. stonecutter357 Mar 2018 #182

There must be zero religious people on this earth, then. Mariana Mar 2018 #216

So you're Catholic? Cuthbert Allgood Mar 2018 #160

I have made the point that there are lots of denominations out there and interpretations of Bible ollie10 Mar 2018 #161

You were quoting from the bible to show that Trump wasn't religious Cuthbert Allgood Mar 2018 #163

Religion is the furthest thing from Trump's mind ollie10 Mar 2018 #165

Problem is, one of those things you listed has an objective standard to meet. Cuthbert Allgood Mar 2018 #168

I am aware of that. But observing DonaldTrump I don't see anything about him that smacks ollie10 Mar 2018 #171

But many millions of people believe Trump is religious Mariana Mar 2018 #212

Millions more voted for him ollie10 Mar 2018 #220

Doesn't mean Trump isn't religious, either. nt. Mariana Mar 2018 #222

I have explained several reasons why I don't think Trump is particularly religious ollie10 Mar 2018 #225

Yes, you don't think he's religious. All these other people think he is. Mariana Mar 2018 #229

now look who is picking obscure Bible verses!!!! ollie10 Mar 2018 #232

That verse is hardly obscure. Mariana Mar 2018 #236

grace is a kinder word than disgusting ollie10 Mar 2018 #237

Grace is a gift from God, is it not? Mariana Mar 2018 #253

Don't believe in eternal torture ollie10 Mar 2018 #265

This sort of reminds nil desperandum Mar 2018 #79

The teachings of who/what? TwistOneUp Mar 2018 #174

You can pray or practice your religion in your home 24/7. SamKnause Mar 2018 #16

I don't have a problem with religion vercetti2021 Mar 2018 #21

So, a "good atheist" wrote a book saying that religion MineralMan Mar 2018 #24

Perfect response!! Ferrets are Cool Mar 2018 #39

Yep Freethinker65 Mar 2018 #52

+1000 WestMichRad Mar 2018 #53

Did you tolerate the Pledge of Allegiance in the military? newcriminal Mar 2018 #68

I learned the Pledge of Allegiance in grammar school, MineralMan Mar 2018 #80

Ae you hoping to ignore the oath you inconveniently took? newcriminal Mar 2018 #84

As I was told at my time of enlistment, "So help me God" is optional MineralMan Mar 2018 #85

seems sort of like somebody is cross examining Voltaire2 Mar 2018 #93

Have you experienced cross examination? newcriminal Mar 2018 #99

I have no idea. MineralMan Mar 2018 #116

Without evidence, I do question your 50 year old claim. newcriminal Mar 2018 #98

Who cares what you question? MineralMan Mar 2018 #115

You, apparently. newcriminal Mar 2018 #117

The "Under god" clause in the Pledge Of Allegiance TwistOneUp Mar 2018 #177

Lulzd. Voltaire2 Mar 2018 #179

Ahhh memories... NeoGreen Mar 2018 #189

You are free to gullibly believe anything said on the internet. newcriminal Mar 2018 #210

No you are. Voltaire2 Mar 2018 #243

A devastating reply. newcriminal Mar 2018 #244

Yet another self referential statement. Voltaire2 Mar 2018 #246

Yet another ridiculous exchange. newcriminal Mar 2018 #249

And yet it was. A conundrum. Voltaire2 Mar 2018 #250

No, it's yet another data point. newcriminal Mar 2018 #268

4. Thats a data point. Voltaire2 Mar 2018 #289

It was the same in 1984, when I enlisted in the Navy. Mariana Mar 2018 #123

There has been dispute about such oaths. MineralMan Mar 2018 #144

In 1969 when I was drafted aka-chmeee Mar 2018 #202

That's true, but I did not hear anyone doing such a thing. MineralMan Mar 2018 #209

Nor did we, aka-chmeee Mar 2018 #340

Tolerance is an overused word marylandblue Mar 2018 #26

American society is very tolerant of religion, particularly Christianity. Thomas Hurt Mar 2018 #35

why would anyone want to swing a dead cat? ollie10 Mar 2018 #40

No one... tonedevil Mar 2018 #70

+ everything. The Polack MSgt Mar 2018 #50

Also government calendar accommodates Christians exboyfil Mar 2018 #102

Don't forget... TwistOneUp Mar 2018 #178

are flat earthers not worthy of condemnation? Brainstormy Mar 2018 #54

No, those beliefs and opinions should be respected. Mariana Mar 2018 #60

You want to condemn flat earthers? newcriminal Mar 2018 #69

I don't think condemnation... tonedevil Mar 2018 #71

Ridicule is a two way street. newcriminal Mar 2018 #76

True... tonedevil Mar 2018 #77

Wow, such violent imagery you introduce into the thread. Mariana Mar 2018 #105

I didn't introduce condemntion nor am I defending the one who did. newcriminal Mar 2018 #106

Condemnation, of course, has several definitions. Mariana Mar 2018 #110

I'll ask Gary Gilmore's coroner for the other definitions. newcriminal Mar 2018 #113

You could simply consult a dictionary Mariana Mar 2018 #122

Cherry-picking of definitions is a commonplace here. MineralMan Mar 2018 #238

Yes, it is incredibly dishonest. Mariana Mar 2018 #240

If you don't like religion...then don't pray! ollie10 Mar 2018 #73

Forcing others to listen to your prayer(s) TwistOneUp Mar 2018 #181

I have not advocated forcing others to listen to any prayers ollie10 Mar 2018 #184

Actually... TwistOneUp Mar 2018 #188

Yup ollie10 Mar 2018 #194

Should non-child abusers trash child abusers? Binkie The Clown Mar 2018 #55

The reflexive use of 'brainwashing' when discussing religion is itself the product of 'brainwashing' newcriminal Mar 2018 #72

Nothing reflexive about it. I was "brainwashed" as a kid, so I know what I'm talking about. nt Binkie The Clown Mar 2018 #107

Indeed. I wasn't. newcriminal Mar 2018 #108

Or a more disconnected opinion. Binkie The Clown Mar 2018 #109

I'm sorry for that. But if religion was the cause of it your experience would be universal. newcriminal Mar 2018 #111

Not universal, but common enough. nt Binkie The Clown Mar 2018 #119

Everything said before "but" doesn't really count. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2018 #139

Everything said after "139." is bullshit. newcriminal Mar 2018 #140

Seems to include include #140. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2018 #147

Everything between "139." and "old." is bullshit. newcriminal Mar 2018 #148

No problem. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2018 #150

Hogwash ollie10 Mar 2018 #75

Keep the out of my schools! Thunderbeast Mar 2018 #57

Most atheists are realists kurtcagle Mar 2018 #58

counter-productive ollie10 Mar 2018 #81

Some must. Most in my experience do not. eom guillaumeb Mar 2018 #78

Must the religious Faux pas Mar 2018 #83

I think the there needs to be a second question: Should Theists trash Atheists? OregonBlue Mar 2018 #87

Atheism is just another religion complete with proselytizers. Sneederbunk Mar 2018 #88

Atheists are the most hated group on earth askyagerz Mar 2018 #89

Not all religious folks believe in 100% of the bible.... ollie10 Mar 2018 #90

If God is infallible askyagerz Mar 2018 #101

Well, rhat is one theory ollie10 Mar 2018 #103

There are no theories in something that is infallible askyagerz Mar 2018 #104

How many denominations are there within Christianity? ollie10 Mar 2018 #136

Which denominations... tonedevil Mar 2018 #277

God is fallible it says so in the Bible ollie10 Mar 2018 #288

Wait... so hes a mass murderer then? nt PassingFair Mar 2018 #335

only if you take this in a literal interpretation ollie10 Mar 2018 #337

Great passage Cuthbert Allgood Mar 2018 #336

obviously not omnipotent...that was my point ollie10 Mar 2018 #339

Contradictory verses marylandblue Mar 2018 #341

If you re ally think they are contradictory ollie10 Mar 2018 #342

You mean there is no contradiction between "God repented" and "God does not repent?" marylandblue Mar 2018 #343

You picked and chose.... and changed the words a bit HA! ollie10 Mar 2018 #345

I changed no words, those are the translations I found marylandblue Mar 2018 #348

But when you do it, it is acceptable....I see ollie10 Mar 2018 #349

When did I say that ? marylandblue Mar 2018 #350

According to the log 9:36 PM ollie10 Mar 2018 #351

I did no such thing marylandblue Mar 2018 #354

You quite clearly used the words "God does not repent?" ollie10 Mar 2018 #355

Sorry for the confusion, my use of quotation marks was meant to offset the phrases marylandblue Mar 2018 #357

uh-huh ollie10 Mar 2018 #358

If you'd rather play gotcha than address the actual point marylandblue Mar 2018 #361

If you had simply admitted a mistake we could have had an honest discussion ollie10 Mar 2018 #363

I admitted my mistake and gave you an exact account of how I made it marylandblue Mar 2018 #364

Paraphrasing is not a mistake. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2018 #367

it was not a paraphase...it was a direct quote with quotation marks ollie10 Mar 2018 #368

You mispelled "you" and forgot to punctuate your last sentence. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2018 #369

are you serious? ollie10 Mar 2018 #370

You mispelled "you" again and punctuated nothing. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2018 #371

I guess irony is lost on your literalist mind ollie10 Mar 2018 #372

Yes, "irony is lost on my literalist mind". Act_of_Reparation Mar 2018 #375

you have some ten cent words!!! good for yu ollie10 Mar 2018 #380

I certainly do. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2018 #381

"Who is rug?" NeoGreen Mar 2018 #377

not relevant. never heard of him/her ollie10 Mar 2018 #379

It is the answer to your question... NeoGreen Mar 2018 #383

I asked a question, the answer I didn't and still don't know the answer to ollie10 Mar 2018 #384

Your response to my reply makes no sense... NeoGreen Mar 2018 #385

You sound very off base ollie10 Mar 2018 #386

Replying to your posts on a message board is "harassing you"? Mariana Mar 2018 #387

it' just so much fun being here ollie10 Mar 2018 #389

What am I missing? NeoGreen Mar 2018 #390

I'm not entirely convinced that Ollie isn't a Poe Mariana Mar 2018 #393

Ahhh... NeoGreen Mar 2018 #394

You're welcome. Mariana Mar 2018 #395

Plus... NeoGreen Mar 2018 #396

I'm sure lots of people have noticed. Mariana Mar 2018 #397

I am not anti-religious marylandblue Mar 2018 #373

You cannot honestly argue that somebody Voltaire2 Mar 2018 #352

So are you going to cfriticize the cherry picking of the other side? ollie10 Mar 2018 #353

Im not the one engaged in a dishonest Voltaire2 Mar 2018 #360

When someone who is not anti-religious quotes the Bible, it is by your definition cherry picking ollie10 Mar 2018 #362

Again you rejected another posters Voltaire2 Mar 2018 #365

the other poster MISQUOTED the passage ollie10 Mar 2018 #366

Isn't it fascinating Mariana Mar 2018 #374

Your post is meme worthy... NeoGreen Mar 2018 #376

That is 5 kinds of awesome! N.t Fix The Stupid Mar 2018 #378

I'll say it...dishonesty and stupidity. Dangerous combo. n/t Fix The Stupid Mar 2018 #382

Circular thinking: A book that says the writer is right because it says it in the book he wrote..... lindysalsagal Mar 2018 #398

and of course you will do the same ollie10 Mar 2018 #402

And to what one book of lindysalsagal's... NeoGreen Mar 2018 #403

is she an author? you don't say ollie10 Mar 2018 #406

and for the record... NeoGreen Mar 2018 #424

oh, thanks for sharing ollie10 Mar 2018 #427

Not superior, but far less gullible. lindysalsagal Mar 2018 #404

Of course you feel superior ollie10 Mar 2018 #405

That is a lot of hate... NeoGreen Mar 2018 #407

Do you love it when people feel superior? ollie10 Mar 2018 #408

I don't generally care one whit about other people's feelings of... NeoGreen Mar 2018 #409

How about your feelings of self superiority? I am curious ollie10 Mar 2018 #411

I don't feel superior... NeoGreen Mar 2018 #414

I love people who are humble as Moses and loving as Joshua marylandblue Mar 2018 #410

So you now read the bible? ollie10 Mar 2018 #412

I only made it to chapter 6 marylandblue Mar 2018 #413

So that makes you an expert!!!! ollie10 Mar 2018 #420

Like NeoGreen, I don't much care if other people feel superior. Mariana Mar 2018 #415

I have made it a point over and over ollie10 Mar 2018 #417

Maybe she feels like her beliefs aren't being respected? marylandblue Mar 2018 #423

Bad ideas don't deserve respect... NeoGreen Mar 2018 #428

calling them bad makes it ok to be disrespectful? ollie10 Mar 2018 #429

So... NeoGreen Mar 2018 #432

You are the one who has more in common with the Taliban ollie10 Mar 2018 #433

Wow..so much to disect in one post... NeoGreen Mar 2018 #436

Have a nice day ollie10 Mar 2018 #437

I provided direct quotes... NeoGreen Mar 2018 #441

You aren't being honest with me or yourself ollie10 Mar 2018 #443

Wow... NeoGreen Mar 2018 #446

Are you saying you do think there is a point in continuing? ollie10 Mar 2018 #447

No... NeoGreen Mar 2018 #450

Well, then do you want to stop trying to convert me to atheism orthodoxy? ollie10 Mar 2018 #454

No... NeoGreen Mar 2018 #458

of course! those ideas you agree with are not bad! ollie10 Mar 2018 #459

Your condescension is noted... NeoGreen Mar 2018 #461

calling all religions on the face of the earth "bad" is not condescension? ollie10 Mar 2018 #465

I'm not calling every religion as bad... NeoGreen Mar 2018 #472

well, you are starting to come around ollie10 Mar 2018 #474

Equal rights for minorities isn't a religious idea Mariana Mar 2018 #475

So you get to define what is a religious idea? ollie10 Mar 2018 #477

No. But Jesus does. Mariana Mar 2018 #479

tell that to the Rev Martin Luther King Jr ollie10 Mar 2018 #482

I would never invade a church like that. Mariana Mar 2018 #524

You should express yourself more clearly, then. Mariana Mar 2018 #469

I have expressed myself quite clearly ollie10 Mar 2018 #471

Just to clarify ollie10 Mar 2018 #419

Let me get this straight... NeoGreen Mar 2018 #422

Is hating spinach hating anyone? ollie10 Mar 2018 #426

Sorry... NeoGreen Mar 2018 #430

When you call other people's ideas "bad" you are implying that yours are superior.... ollie10 Mar 2018 #431

So, you believe there are no bad ideas?... NeoGreen Mar 2018 #434

you haven't been listening very well ollie10 Mar 2018 #435

Yes I have been listening... NeoGreen Mar 2018 #439

Are capable of not calling other ideas "bad"? ollie10 Mar 2018 #442

Are you able to identify any idea as bad? NeoGreen Mar 2018 #444

Being disrespectful towards religion OR to atheism is bad ollie10 Mar 2018 #445

Ok... NeoGreen Mar 2018 #449

again you misrepresent ollie10 Mar 2018 #453

Yes you have... NeoGreen Mar 2018 #460

Go back over this thread ollie10 Mar 2018 #463

Ollie agrees that some ideas are bad, elsewhere in this thread. Mariana Mar 2018 #476

What does your hate accomplish? marylandblue Mar 2018 #416

Just to clarify ollie10 Mar 2018 #418

Ok, but what does that feeling of hate do for you? marylandblue Mar 2018 #421

So you don't think I should hate it when people attack atheists? ollie10 Mar 2018 #425

What is the purpose of hate? marylandblue Mar 2018 #438

so you don't see a purpose of hating racism, bigotry, disrespect, misogyny, homophobia? ollie10 Mar 2018 #440

I am asking you about your thoughts about the matter marylandblue Mar 2018 #448

I opposee racism, bigotry, disrespect, misogyny, homophobia ollie10 Mar 2018 #451

I oppose them as well, but what is the hate for? marylandblue Mar 2018 #452

it's a manner of speech and you know it ollie10 Mar 2018 #455

Why do you assume such a thing? marylandblue Mar 2018 #456

why do you object to me saying I hate racism and disrespect? ollie10 Mar 2018 #457

I am opposed to it, and I act in ways to prevent or reduce it marylandblue Mar 2018 #462

so, you oppose racism but you don't hate it ollie10 Mar 2018 #464

Is hate necessary? marylandblue Mar 2018 #466

if someone killed my wife I would hate it ollie10 Mar 2018 #467

You don't know my SO, she would understand what I mean marylandblue Mar 2018 #468

Then go ahead and show it to your SO ollie10 Mar 2018 #470

She laughed, like I knew she would marylandblue Mar 2018 #473

See, criticizing religion is just like killing someone's spouse. Mariana Mar 2018 #481

And asking your good-humored wife marylandblue Mar 2018 #483

there you go again. misrepresenting what I said. ollie10 Mar 2018 #511

Why should we believe you hate it? Mariana Mar 2018 #478

I have made my opinions clear. ollie10 Mar 2018 #480

Atheism frequently gets attacked marylandblue Mar 2018 #484

I don't attack atheists ollie10 Mar 2018 #486

I think some atheists on this board feel you are attacking them marylandblue Mar 2018 #488

I know...why don't you provide a quote where I actually have attacked atheism per se..... ollie10 Mar 2018 #489

Maybe you should ask people who feel attacked marylandblue Mar 2018 #490

so you can't provide a quote.....obvious ollie10 Mar 2018 #493

I said they felt you were attacking them marylandblue Mar 2018 #494

Again, if I indeed ever said anything actually attacking atheism per se I would want to see it ollie10 Mar 2018 #495

You do not feel attacked? marylandblue Mar 2018 #496

This is the Third request: where is the quote? ollie10 Mar 2018 #497

I am asking how you personally feel marylandblue Mar 2018 #498

Do you care about my feelings? ollie10 Mar 2018 #499

Yes I do care about your feelings marylandblue Mar 2018 #502

No I don't believe you care much ollie10 Mar 2018 #503

You seem quite embittered marylandblue Mar 2018 #504

bored beyond belief, more like it ollie10 Mar 2018 #506

Why is this boring? marylandblue Mar 2018 #507

I am here for dialogue ollie10 Mar 2018 #509

I am not sure why you think this is a word game marylandblue Mar 2018 #513

If you have something to say about the issues at hand, please go at it ollie10 Mar 2018 #514

I am not a New Atheist marylandblue Mar 2018 #515

New Atheism.... ollie10 Mar 2018 #516

I don't understand the point of your post. marylandblue Mar 2018 #517

It was a long post with several ideas ollie10 Mar 2018 #518

What is the point of your discussion of rationalism? marylandblue Mar 2018 #519

There were several points about this. ollie10 Mar 2018 #520

Why did you bring it up? marylandblue Mar 2018 #521

I brought it up in response to your post ollie10 Mar 2018 #522

Well that makes sense marylandblue Mar 2018 #525

And yet, here you are. Mariana Mar 2018 #510

so anwering someone's direct question is insisting on the last word? ollie10 Mar 2018 #512

I like you just fine, Ollie. Mariana Mar 2018 #523

Atheists don't have a Lord and Saviour Mariana Mar 2018 #491

well, not all religious people are christians either ollie10 Mar 2018 #492

You didn't claim to be speaking for all of them. Mariana Mar 2018 #505

wow playing word games again.... ollie10 Mar 2018 #508

And the pronouncements from the privileged continue... Mariana Mar 2018 #485

hey, mariana, nobody is privileged over here ollie10 Mar 2018 #487

"nobody is privileged over here" Act_of_Reparation Mar 2018 #500

there you go again. I would request that we discontinue our little conversation ollie10 Mar 2018 #501

Do not confuse the subject with the biographer. guillaumeb Mar 2018 #118

The only thing we know of the subject askyagerz Mar 2018 #125

I don't know where you are coming from..... ollie10 Mar 2018 #135

No when something is holding back progress askyagerz Mar 2018 #158

So I am supposed to respect you, but you insist on saying all religious people live in a bubble? ollie10 Mar 2018 #159

I could care less if you respect me or not askyagerz Mar 2018 #175

Play the victim why don't you? ollie10 Mar 2018 #180

Yes I am the victim askyagerz Mar 2018 #186

I am sorry to hear of your persecution ollie10 Mar 2018 #191

Askyagerz has actually been rather fortunate. Mariana Mar 2018 #257

That is disgusting. ollie10 Mar 2018 #266

Absolutely. I did not start slinging the mud askyagerz Mar 2018 #280

I grew up in a town of 1600 with about 20 churches askyagerz Mar 2018 #278

While I sympathize with your experiences.... ollie10 Mar 2018 #287

So, askyagerz should shut up Mariana Mar 2018 #291

Not saying to shut up....saying to speak wisely and not shoot yourself in the foot ollie10 Mar 2018 #293

No one here has attacked the freedoms of others. Mariana Mar 2018 #296

You can believe anything you want to about what I said ollie10 Mar 2018 #298

You know what else Trump and troll farms will cheer? trotsky Mar 2018 #301

You are entitled to misinterpret what I have said.... ollie10 Mar 2018 #303

That's the problem, though. You aren't actually *saying* anything. trotsky Mar 2018 #304

Nobody is telling you to shut up ollie10 Mar 2018 #305

Sure thing J trotsky Mar 2018 #307

Enjoy yourself ollie10 Mar 2018 #312

Those people seem to be Mariana Mar 2018 #120

you apparently are not very knowledgeable of Christianity ollie10 Mar 2018 #134

Which of the thousands of flavors of Christianity Mariana Mar 2018 #211

You said "seem to be pretty much making it up as they go along" ollie10 Mar 2018 #219

I never said ALL of them make it up as they go along. Mariana Mar 2018 #227

It is not up to you or up to me to decide what parts of the Bible are important ollie10 Mar 2018 #230

But that's the problem askyagerz Mar 2018 #308

So if you agree with religion "a little" you are enabling the extremists? ollie10 Mar 2018 #315

It is apparent that you already know all you want to know about Christianity! ollie10 Mar 2018 #346

Jesus probably didn't want his follower to believe what they wanted to marylandblue Mar 2018 #344

Fords? TwistOneUp Mar 2018 #183

LOL ollie10 Mar 2018 #185

is faith REALLY that delicate? Skittles Mar 2018 #128

Yeah....so delicate.....just call them snowflakes and call it a day! ollie10 Mar 2018 #347

thereby proving my point Skittles Mar 2018 #356

how? ollie10 Mar 2018 #359

I can understand faith, but what is the point of organized religion? Atheists don't Doodley Mar 2018 #129

im atheist and i dont trash anyones religion unless it samnsara Mar 2018 #151

Must religion tell me and my kid we will burn in hell for not believing their religion? SunSeeker Mar 2018 #190

the good ole "two wrongs make it right" fallacy ollie10 Mar 2018 #196

The good ole false equivalence fallacy. SunSeeker Mar 2018 #197

When you use someone else's disrespect for your views.... ollie10 Mar 2018 #199

Pushing back against vicious lies with the truth is not "hypocrisy." nt SunSeeker Mar 2018 #231

So when someone disrespects you it is "vicious lies"..... ollie10 Mar 2018 #233

No part of "you will burn in Hell" is speaking the "truth." SunSeeker Mar 2018 #242

They don't just say you WILL burn in hell for eternity. Mariana Mar 2018 #208

Atheism is a religion too relayerbob Mar 2018 #201

Belief in what system exactly? tonedevil Mar 2018 #245

This should be fun Mariana Mar 2018 #248

Nah ... relayerbob Mar 2018 #254

Is disbelief in Odin likewise a religion? Of course not. malchickiwick Mar 2018 #256

"Atheism" is generally more than disbelief in my experience relayerbob Mar 2018 #258

I believe you may be confusing activism with religion... malchickiwick Mar 2018 #260

I'd be satisfied with removing religion from government. Mariana Mar 2018 #276

Also: So if one says "I know for certain there is no Easter Beagle" that makes her an extremist?? malchickiwick Mar 2018 #262

We discuss religion because it has a profound effect on our lives. Mariana Mar 2018 #263

Why would one choose... tonedevil Mar 2018 #264

Atheism is a religion like baldness is a hair color. malchickiwick Mar 2018 #251

Or like off is a tv channel. Voltaire2 Mar 2018 #252

Untrue: There is endless evidence of no god, and zero evidence of god. lindysalsagal Mar 2018 #399

Somebody has to do it! aka-chmeee Mar 2018 #203

Here's what Jesus had to say about it. Mariana Mar 2018 #255

Proverbs 12:16 newcriminal Mar 2018 #267

That ain't jesus (nt) NeoGreen Mar 2018 #270

No shit. newcriminal Mar 2018 #271

Then my job here is done... NeoGreen Mar 2018 #273

You really do believe that is your purpose. newcriminal Mar 2018 #274

You should have posted an image of... NeoGreen Mar 2018 #275

Would clearly have been better than a Sean Connery gif. newcriminal Mar 2018 #279

Just can't make the closer... NeoGreen Mar 2018 #281

I'm curious to see how stupid this can get. newcriminal Mar 2018 #282

Wow... NeoGreen Mar 2018 #284

You're closing in on your brackets. newcriminal Mar 2018 #286

And your slip is showing... NeoGreen Mar 2018 #290

Kick...why won't the admins take out the trash? Double standards I guess... n/t Fix The Stupid Mar 2018 #294

WOW!! trotsky Mar 2018 #297

Thanks... NeoGreen Mar 2018 #299

Why are you copying and pasting from a thread in a protected group? MineralMan Mar 2018 #292

All groups are transparent and subect to copying and pasting. newcriminal Mar 2018 #319

Groups aren't the only things that are transparent Heddi Mar 2018 #320

That is not an answer to my question. MineralMan Mar 2018 #321

That is the only one you'll get. newcriminal Mar 2018 #322

Of that I have no doubt. MineralMan Mar 2018 #323

A precise mirror of my eaction when I see you've replied. newcriminal Mar 2018 #325

Have you changed your tune... NeoGreen Mar 2018 #328

LOL, well there's a post that didn't age so well. trotsky Mar 2018 #334

I actually met Todd May some thirty years ago, back when he was still a student, struggle4progress Mar 2018 #269

"Religion is the systematic, practical attempt to align oneself with the transcendent" muriel_volestrangler Mar 2018 #272

Someone recently described the political systems Mariana Mar 2018 #302

Similar, but not the same Major Nikon Mar 2018 #306

Is pointing out the many flaws and terrible legacies of religions trashing them? Bradshaw3 Mar 2018 #283

Absolutely Major Nikon Mar 2018 #300

Well played Major Bradshaw3 Mar 2018 #311

Must Religions Trash Atheists? rurallib Mar 2018 #285

Apparently, some must. MineralMan Mar 2018 #295

Yup. It's the whole point, actually. lindysalsagal Mar 2018 #400

Sure. MineralMan Mar 2018 #401

I will say 1 thing and then I am out and blocking all religion discussions trixie2 Mar 2018 #327

And I'll say just one thing to you. trotsky Mar 2018 #338

My god is better than your god.........that is the fight of religion Angry Dragon Mar 2018 #391

The poster you are replying to can no longer post here. MineralMan Mar 2018 #392