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zipplewrath

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103. Not sure I did

Tue Apr 3, 2018, 04:16 PM

Apr 2018

I addressed the amount that was, or wasn't in the Quran, which was your core question. And then I went on to discuss the larger issue of the degree, or lack, that the original assertion was grounded in the fundamental treatment of all the texts in question.

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Monotheism: One "angry old man" deity for three global religions. [View all] MineralMan Apr 2018 OP

to say nothing of the fact that all three "Abrahamic" Brainstormy Apr 2018 #1

Yes, well, isn't that interesting, too? MineralMan Apr 2018 #2

And in order to have that grumpy old white male god WhiteTara Apr 2018 #3

The people killed or subjugated in the name of the grumpy god MineralMan Apr 2018 #4

shouldn't it!? It is actually WhiteTara Apr 2018 #8

Death Tolls ollie10 Apr 2018 #9

these were just terrible mortal men WhiteTara Apr 2018 #11

yes, and terrible mortal men kill millions without the help of a grumpy god ollie10 Apr 2018 #20

Some got more help than many are willing to admit... NeoGreen Apr 2018 #43

Two wrongs don't make a right marylandblue Apr 2018 #13

True...but these folks sure were grumpy! ollie10 Apr 2018 #19

In the few thousand years that this monotheism has existed, MineralMan Apr 2018 #14

You may think these numbers are insignificant ollie10 Apr 2018 #21

Poor response Cartoonist Apr 2018 #15

I suppose you have statistics to support your claim ollie10 Apr 2018 #18

You deny it? Cartoonist Apr 2018 #24

I presented links and numbers ollie10 Apr 2018 #26

I presented numbers too Cartoonist Apr 2018 #30

Consider this ollie10 Apr 2018 #33

Kudos to the non-conquered Cartoonist Apr 2018 #38

Isn't it convenient how that works? nt. Mariana Apr 2018 #39

I didn't mention the word atheism, did I? ollie10 Apr 2018 #40

That last paragraph disqualifies you Cartoonist Apr 2018 #44

disqualifies me? from what? you mean I am un-orthodox....that was what I was sayin' ollie10 Apr 2018 #45

Yes, people who disagree with you get to post here, too. Mariana Apr 2018 #75

You illustrate my point quite well....thanks! ollie10 Apr 2018 #76

"I know I am not supposed to say this in the religion boards here." Mariana Apr 2018 #83

So you calling me a liar illustrates my point again ollie10 Apr 2018 #84

No, it doesn't. Mariana Apr 2018 #87

You are exagerrating in some parts marylandblue Apr 2018 #90

I don't think exaggeration is strong enough a word. Hyperbole, maybe. Mariana Apr 2018 #91

mockery is not respectful ollie10 Apr 2018 #101

I don't see a whole lot of activity in the groups for Christians marylandblue Apr 2018 #110

I would hope that more christians, buddhists, taoists, muslims, jews, native americans..... ollie10 Apr 2018 #112

There are several groups on DU that exist for the exact purpose Mariana Apr 2018 #119

Truer words never spoken unfortunately ollie10 Apr 2018 #126

For diversity, I would recommend you try the Interfaith Group. Mariana Apr 2018 #128

So you still have the need to shut me up ollie10 Apr 2018 #130

The definition of "recommend" is not "shut up". Mariana Apr 2018 #131

You are incredibly nice ollie10 Apr 2018 #132

MLK faced beatings and death threats marylandblue Apr 2018 #124

he could handle it ollie10 Apr 2018 #125

God haters? How do you hate a thing you don't believe in? marylandblue Apr 2018 #163

if MLK were reincarnated and was posting on this board ollie10 Apr 2018 #165

Perhaps, but he wouldn't complain about it marylandblue Apr 2018 #166

So are you saying people don't have a right to complain? ollie10 Apr 2018 #168

You have a right to say whatever you want marylandblue Apr 2018 #170

as a minister, he would probably have taken issue with the idea that god is grumpy ollie10 Apr 2018 #171

No doubt he would have marylandblue Apr 2018 #172

Army of Flying Monkeys.....LOL ollie10 Apr 2018 #177

They are welcome to do so in any of the protected Voltaire2 Apr 2018 #138

good to hear! that is what I was hoping ollie10 Apr 2018 #143

Again, no one has attempted to prevent you from posting here. Mariana Apr 2018 #158

I'm glad they are welcome ollie10 Apr 2018 #161

Ollie doesn't want to discuss religion. Mariana Apr 2018 #123

Thanks for scolding me ollie10 Apr 2018 #127

I wasn't preaching at all. Mariana Apr 2018 #133

Wow you are condescending! ollie10 Apr 2018 #134

How do you know the majority on DU are Christian ? I never saw a breakdown of posters or lunasun Apr 2018 #153

That's his Christian privilege speaking. Mariana Apr 2018 #174

Probably a reasonable assumption, but marylandblue Apr 2018 #176

The privileged Christian would be utterly ignorant of their existence. Mariana Apr 2018 #179

Consider this ollie10 Apr 2018 #23

Holy non-sequitors Batman! Lordquinton Apr 2018 #16

Someone talked about millions being killed by a grumpy god or something like that ollie10 Apr 2018 #17

So you're saying... Lordquinton Apr 2018 #121

Let's be clear.... ollie10 Apr 2018 #122

Yea, I'm well aware that historians go to great lengths Lordquinton Apr 2018 #159

If you look at genocide in history..... ollie10 Apr 2018 #164

It doesn't reflect very well on the god in question, does it? Mariana Apr 2018 #22

I know your opinions of god ollie10 Apr 2018 #25

You're welcome! Any time. nt. Mariana Apr 2018 #28

So do you have a defense of the omnipotent omniscient God marylandblue Apr 2018 #36

It is not necessary to believe in an omnipotent or omniscient god ollie10 Apr 2018 #37

What is you opinion? marylandblue Apr 2018 #41

Do you believe in personal responsibiilty....or do you believe god made me do it? ollie10 Apr 2018 #42

I believe in personal responsibility and that it applies to God as well marylandblue Apr 2018 #47

I suppose, then, you can explain how god could prevent evil if he created us with free will? ollie10 Apr 2018 #50

Depends what evil you'd like it to prevent marylandblue Apr 2018 #56

We could do without all diseases.....and death for that matter..... ollie10 Apr 2018 #58

Well, since I am not assuming God is omnipotent marylandblue Apr 2018 #62

Well I share your wishes and your concern is noted ollie10 Apr 2018 #66

So why worship such a reprehensible being? marylandblue Apr 2018 #89

No....Pol Pot and Stalin were not religious ollie10 Apr 2018 #96

You raised the comparison earlier in this thread, not me marylandblue Apr 2018 #107

There is no comparison of Stalin and Pol Pot to God....I certainly did not mean to compare them ollie10 Apr 2018 #111

In terms of OP's point marylandblue Apr 2018 #155

If we didn't have some very powerful religions Mariana Apr 2018 #93

Many Christians believe those things are humanity's fault. nt. Mariana Apr 2018 #92

Seems like an abuser blaming the victim marylandblue Apr 2018 #99

Yes, that is exactly what it seems like. nt. Mariana Apr 2018 #120

In the Old Testament stories Mariana Apr 2018 #48

well, that may be your interpretation ollie10 Apr 2018 #51

What is your interpretation of those stories? nt. Mariana Apr 2018 #73

nice try ollie10 Apr 2018 #74

So you're not here to actually discuss religion. Mariana Apr 2018 #78

You have never respected what I have said ollie10 Apr 2018 #81

Stalin, Hitler and Pol Pot are not the topic of this thread. Mariana Apr 2018 #85

aha! so you ARE trying to silence me? ollie10 Apr 2018 #86

Stalin, Hitler and Pol Pot still are not the topic of this thread. Mariana Apr 2018 #88

The point was made that god killed millions of women ollie10 Apr 2018 #94

The OP doesn't agree with you. Mariana Apr 2018 #95

I see ollie10 Apr 2018 #105

Sure, let's discuss more things. Mariana Apr 2018 #117

Hitler appealed to Christianity. sfwriter Apr 2018 #113

Not so fast.... ollie10 Apr 2018 #114

Private statements to confidants Cartoonist Apr 2018 #137

"The wide consensus of historians consider him to have been irreligious, anti-Christian...." ollie10 Apr 2018 #141

Did you read my post? Cartoonist Apr 2018 #144

And I could tell you about Boenhoffer and others who opposed him ollie10 Apr 2018 #146

Thank you Cartoonist Apr 2018 #148

Never mind. If you want to think Hitler was a Jesus Freak go right ahead ollie10 Apr 2018 #150

So evil means he can't be Christian? Lordquinton Apr 2018 #160

No, don't put words in my mouth ollie10 Apr 2018 #167

Now who's putting words in people's mouths? Lordquinton Apr 2018 #183

He was an anti-Christian ollie10 Apr 2018 #184

The overwhelming majority of the population were Christians Mariana Apr 2018 #181

Why don't you just read the article ollie10 Apr 2018 #182

How should I explain that... DetlefK Apr 2018 #5

Consolidation. As I said. MineralMan Apr 2018 #6

In fact, religions are not consolidating ollie10 Apr 2018 #29

MineralMan said, "In the end, it's all just one religion with sectarian divisions." Mariana Apr 2018 #32

I think there are many divisions within christianity ollie10 Apr 2018 #34

They all still worship the deity of the Old Testament MineralMan Apr 2018 #46

They are monotheistic, meaning they believe in one God ollie10 Apr 2018 #52

If there is only one God, as all of those denominations and sects believe, MineralMan Apr 2018 #54

But some Christians believe in a loving God.....are they wrong according to you? ollie10 Apr 2018 #55

That's what they say. And yet, they stlll read the Old Testament. MineralMan Apr 2018 #59

thank god! ollie10 Apr 2018 #60

I will see your truth and raise you one DonCoquixote Apr 2018 #27

Maybe he's grumpy because he can't wash the blood from his hands... malchickiwick Apr 2018 #7

... WhiteTara Apr 2018 #10

LOL! MineralMan Apr 2018 #12

Perhaps they could be sewed together and made into The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2018 #79

I will not put into words my suggested use for them. MineralMan Apr 2018 #82

They are just tipping him. nt tblue37 Apr 2018 #35

The angry one seems to come and go. zipplewrath Apr 2018 #31

We have entire dominations of Christianity that seem to prefer MineralMan Apr 2018 #49

And they are relatively new zipplewrath Apr 2018 #57

I shrug. They all have the Old Testament in their Bibles, and MineralMan Apr 2018 #61

Nice broad brush zipplewrath Apr 2018 #63

Even some of the more liberal and tolerant Christian sects still have that angry old man at the core trotsky Apr 2018 #64

It is a common belief....but it is also common not to believe in hell ollie10 Apr 2018 #68

Let me know when you find a Bible without the Pentateuch. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2018 #65

Jefferson?... NeoGreen Apr 2018 #67

Jefferson's Bible barely has any mention of God in it. MineralMan Apr 2018 #71

I know, I know.... NeoGreen Apr 2018 #77

It's more "Jefferson's Bible" than the "Jefferson Bible". Act_of_Reparation Apr 2018 #102

Yeah but... NeoGreen Apr 2018 #118

For all I know, he's counting different translations as different Bibles. MineralMan Apr 2018 #69

so are you saying there are the same books in the catholic bible as in the methodist one? ollie10 Apr 2018 #70

Nope. But all of the books in the Methodist Bible MineralMan Apr 2018 #72

Well, he appears to be counting the Quran as "the Bible". Act_of_Reparation Apr 2018 #98

Well, the OP was grouping all three main religions in the same broad brush zipplewrath Apr 2018 #100

Except this sub-thread is explicity discussing Christianity. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2018 #104

Um, I STARTED this subthread zipplewrath Apr 2018 #106

Then Post #31 would have been a good point for a course-correction, don't you think, Captain? Act_of_Reparation Apr 2018 #109

No zipplewrath Apr 2018 #115

Bits and pieces zipplewrath Apr 2018 #80

Yes, that's all very fascinating... Act_of_Reparation Apr 2018 #97

Not sure I did zipplewrath Apr 2018 #103

Yes, you did. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2018 #108

Character is what most people believe zipplewrath Apr 2018 #116

Some here want to create god in their own image ollie10 Apr 2018 #135

If? Did you say if? Cartoonist Apr 2018 #139

That is the god you created for your own purposes ollie10 Apr 2018 #142

I didn't write the Bible Cartoonist Apr 2018 #145

I didn't say you wrote the bible ollie10 Apr 2018 #147

Conception? Cartoonist Apr 2018 #149

Please explain to me how you came to the conclusion ollie10 Apr 2018 #151

Literal or not Cartoonist Apr 2018 #152

I know that is your view ollie10 Apr 2018 #154

Yes zipplewrath Apr 2018 #156

Separation of church and state saidsimplesimon Apr 2018 #53

I see a Creator who takes joy in creation. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #129

Wasn't that a movie about Minnesota fish houses? ollie10 Apr 2018 #136

Selective reading Cartoonist Apr 2018 #140

See, I've actually read the entire Bible more than once. MineralMan Apr 2018 #157

So have I. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #162

And you don't need yours? marylandblue Apr 2018 #173

Need? In what way do I need the Bible, guillaumeb? MineralMan Apr 2018 #175

This message was self-deleted by its author ollie10 Apr 2018 #169

That one's a nasty, jealous and angry oldster! PJMcK Apr 2018 #178

Well, see, Jesus. MineralMan Apr 2018 #180

Most religions address a change or end of time & but yes, more was written later on in the Quran lunasun Apr 2018 #185