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Tue Apr 17, 2018, 02:35 PM

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Why some theists insist atheism is a belief system [View all] Major Nikon Apr 2018 OP

And the idea of "belief" gets twisted even more by theists.. Permanut Apr 2018 #1

I believe I'll have another beer, therefore I'm a believer Major Nikon Apr 2018 #2

I'm tangled-up in the semantics. TomSlick Apr 2018 #3

Atheism and agnosticism address separate questions. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2018 #4

It seems that what you are describing is "hard agnosticism," that it is impossible to know TomSlick Apr 2018 #5

Atheism doesn't require certainty. Mariana Apr 2018 #7

No, it doesn't! Brainstormy Apr 2018 #65

No, what I'm describing is agnostic atheism. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2018 #12

Exactly. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #27

Hold the phone... tonedevil Apr 2018 #75

I'm certain that some particular gods don't exist. Pope George Ringo II Apr 2018 #79

I am certain there is no god. Eko Apr 2018 #78

While it is not correct TomSlick Apr 2018 #84

I never said that it could be proven that there was no god. Eko Apr 2018 #87

Your example of the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus if useful for two reasons. TomSlick Apr 2018 #88

Why is it demeaning? Eko Apr 2018 #89

Come on. TomSlick Apr 2018 #90

There is actually a lot of proof Eko Apr 2018 #91

Yes, but Saint Nicholas died in the fourth century CE. TomSlick Apr 2018 #92

Didnt Jesus die also? Eko Apr 2018 #94

Certainly. That seems to be a historically accepted fact. TomSlick Apr 2018 #95

No, not quite. But we will move on from the historical part. Eko Apr 2018 #96

I am not aware of a serious historical argument that Jesus did not exist. TomSlick Apr 2018 #100

Plenty of them out there, try google. Eko Apr 2018 #101

Your Wikipedia thread leads to: TomSlick Apr 2018 #103

No, I guess we arent. Eko Apr 2018 #105

You would be doing both of us a favor Eko Apr 2018 #109

And you understand none of those are contemporary, right? Pope George Ringo II Apr 2018 #104

Not really that accepted Pope George Ringo II Apr 2018 #97

Correct. Eko Apr 2018 #98

Not really. TomSlick Apr 2018 #106

Their accounts include a bunch of zombies wandering around town. Pope George Ringo II Apr 2018 #108

I also dont think your premise Eko Apr 2018 #93

And last but not least at all. Eko Apr 2018 #99

I think I prefer "imperfect." TomSlick Apr 2018 #107

:) Eko Apr 2018 #111

I'm tangled up in the semantics of the word "god". smirkymonkey Apr 2018 #116

Interesting question that. TomSlick Apr 2018 #118

Describing and dealing with beliefs Igel Apr 2018 #6

If I'm tracking, I agree. TomSlick Apr 2018 #8

I think most do assume good faith and intelligence in others Mariana Apr 2018 #10

The very best you can say about them is they have a closed mind Major Nikon Apr 2018 #11

It's easy to rathole someone else when it reinforces your own point of view Major Nikon Apr 2018 #9

Because the best apologetic they could come up with after two centuries of stagnation is... Act_of_Reparation Apr 2018 #13

Nailed it. n/t trotsky Apr 2018 #14

The only argument that's really used is being upset Lordquinton Apr 2018 #15

To say "there is no God" is EXACTLY as much an act of faith as to say "there is a God". Fortinbras Armstrong Apr 2018 #16

Lol.... Adrahil Apr 2018 #17

Its really just a proof of the OP Major Nikon Apr 2018 #19

I don't actually mind the appalling ignorance displayed. Pope George Ringo II Apr 2018 #20

So right. NT Adrahil Apr 2018 #21

Like I said upthread Mariana Apr 2018 #22

give it up. You're not likely to get through. Brainstormy Apr 2018 #66

I dont agree with both of your premises Major Nikon Apr 2018 #18

And you're wrong. trotsky Apr 2018 #23

Is your statement designed to discourage dialogue? guillaumeb Apr 2018 #29

You'd be an expert on that, for sure. n/t trotsky Apr 2018 #30

I thought so. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #35

Thanks for another sermon in hypocrisy Lordquinton Apr 2018 #49

Given the many demonstration of it in this thread, guillaumeb Apr 2018 #51

You should pay more attention to your own words then Lordquinton Apr 2018 #53

Speaking of which, guillaumeb Apr 2018 #55

Oh, did I miss one of your replies? Lordquinton Apr 2018 #56

You did miss something. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #57

Can you show me where you posted then? Lordquinton Apr 2018 #73

You could read the entire thread. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #74

I figured I'd just ask the source Lordquinton Apr 2018 #76

Most atheists are familiar with statements like yours. MineralMan Apr 2018 #25

Your 2 statements are identical in outcome. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #28

No, they are not equivalent. MineralMan Apr 2018 #32

Again, with insults. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #37

No insults. Observations after long experience. MineralMan Apr 2018 #44

More insults disguised as being helpful. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #50

I read French quite fluently, thanks. MineralMan Apr 2018 #58

So he's a plagiarist, too. trotsky Apr 2018 #61

So who is a plagiarist? MineralMan Apr 2018 #63

guillaumeb. trotsky Apr 2018 #67

Oops...My bad...Yes... MineralMan Apr 2018 #86

I already did attribute it, in an unanswered post to you in fact. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #71

Oh dear. You had reached my limit on replies in subthread. MineralMan Apr 2018 #82

You could instead engage in serious discussion. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #83

Yes. That would be nice, and I do that MineralMan Apr 2018 #85

You are still avoiding the question. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #117

Maybe this way will work? marylandblue Apr 2018 #47

I don't classify myself by such terminology. MineralMan Apr 2018 #62

It is a pity you are incapable of seeing the difference. trotsky Apr 2018 #33

not so. Brainstormy Apr 2018 #64

Ah, you are saying "I don't believe in God" and "I don't believe there is a God" Fortinbras Armstrong Apr 2018 #112

Since religionists cannot prove that their deity exists, either, MineralMan Apr 2018 #24

From your own reference: guillaumeb Apr 2018 #26

I see no deities... tonedevil Apr 2018 #77

That is clear, and polite. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #80

If atheism is a belief-system, then what is atheist faith? DetlefK Apr 2018 #31

We all believe in things. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #36

And we all do not believe in infinitely many things. DetlefK Apr 2018 #38

I only have room in my brain for a few beliefs. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #39

Your limitations do not necessarily apply to others. MineralMan Apr 2018 #45

The word atheist originally referred to Jews and Christians, many of whom were actually henotheists. malchickiwick Apr 2018 #34

"narratives that keep the powerful powerful" guillaumeb Apr 2018 #40

Yet religious narratives are unique. trotsky Apr 2018 #43

Your viewpoint on this is hardly unique here. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #48

Yours is the majority Lordquinton Apr 2018 #52

Are you white, male, college educated, guillaumeb Apr 2018 #54

Time for another reminder. trotsky Apr 2018 #60

A weak try on your part. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #72

Reminding you what forum you're in and what its topic is? trotsky Apr 2018 #113

The idea that all privileges get put on a scale and weigh against each other isnt a good one Major Nikon Apr 2018 #69

Why do you feel such a need to belittle? trotsky Apr 2018 #59

The Christians were never henotheistic. DetlefK Apr 2018 #41

Virtually all early Xian converts were henotheistic, actually, as was Constantine himself. malchickiwick Apr 2018 #42

Would it be unfair if I mentally associate this argument with holidays? Pope George Ringo II Apr 2018 #46

I think that seems like a fair assumption. I'm sure each holiday had its own unique case however. malchickiwick Apr 2018 #70

It seems like I've only run across about six hypotheses for Easter alone Pope George Ringo II Apr 2018 #81

The ones who mattered were Major Nikon Apr 2018 #68

As an atheist I do not care about what theists say about my not believing there is a god, elocs Apr 2018 #102

I think the behavior is more of a symptom of a problem than a problem itself Major Nikon Apr 2018 #115

Theism is just atheism dressed up in a white beard and cloak. Take away God's image and Doodley Apr 2018 #110

In it's simplest form it doesn't even have to be that complicated Major Nikon Apr 2018 #114