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SoFlaDem

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60. "Believers" without a qualifier would be all inclusive.

Thu Apr 19, 2018, 10:37 AM

Apr 2018

That is how our language works. Many cruel and bigoted things are said in jest. This does not necessarily rise to the level of cruel, but it attacks believers, not their beliefs. If this OP was not meant to imply moral superiority of scientists over believers, then there would be no point to it.

I'm not looking for an argument, I just think there are kinder ways to discuss beliefs. That's all. By the way, I have seen atheist treated the same way and I've only been reading DU for less than a week.

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What does a religious person call somebody who believes something different? [View all] DetlefK Apr 2018 OP

This message was self-deleted by its author Freelancer Apr 2018 #1

I read about and hear stories about religious people slandering atheists thbobby Apr 2018 #2

I am an atheist and my last job before retiring was at a Salvation Army homeless shelter. elocs Apr 2018 #5

Religious intolerance continues to cause more strife than anything else democratisphere Apr 2018 #3

I suspect that economics, territorial issues and such cause more strife ollie10 Apr 2018 #46

The wars and problems in the Middle East are largely about Religious democratisphere Apr 2018 #54

Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot were not ....er....exactly religious folks ollie10 Apr 2018 #56

You need to educate yourself on this subject. democratisphere Apr 2018 #58

Everyone needs education ollie10 Apr 2018 #63

I am talking about the intolerance of one religion over another and vice versa. democratisphere Apr 2018 #64

I am talking about intolerance period ollie10 Apr 2018 #67

Not all, but much of it is. democratisphere Apr 2018 #70

Still, the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of religious people ollie10 Apr 2018 #72

This isn't about church, going or not going. It's about religions that have no tolerance democratisphere Apr 2018 #73

The OP created a straw man ollie10 Apr 2018 #74

Correct. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #81

ROFLMAO! MineralMan Apr 2018 #109

Always good to engage in exercise. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #121

Hay sweet stuff! sprinkleeninow Apr 2018 #176

Your assertion is strawman Major Nikon Apr 2018 #138

That's your interpretation ollie10 Apr 2018 #145

As was yours Major Nikon Apr 2018 #151

This message was self-deleted by its author Freelancer Apr 2018 #102

Yup ollie10 Apr 2018 #103

More like an excuse zipplewrath Apr 2018 #66

It is an excuse, of course. Mariana Apr 2018 #106

It's not an excuse if people actually believe it. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2018 #202

Neighbor, friend vlyons Apr 2018 #4

I dunno.....Methodists call Lutherans Christians. ollie10 Apr 2018 #6

(Methodists and Lutherans ARE both Christians... just different branches.) Silver Gaia Apr 2018 #8

The essential point is there are LOTS of different views in Christianity and other religions ollie10 Apr 2018 #9

I agree with that. Silver Gaia Apr 2018 #11

No problem! ollie10 Apr 2018 #13

Yep... Docreed2003 Apr 2018 #136

I had a similar experience, Silver Gaia Apr 2018 #170

At some point a church becomes more of a cult Major Nikon Apr 2018 #171

Yes, this church was definitely a cult! Silver Gaia Apr 2018 #172

Hard to imagine being more extreme than snake handling Major Nikon Apr 2018 #173

Thank goodness they didn't do that! Silver Gaia Apr 2018 #175

Have you heard of the word exclusivism? Major Nikon Apr 2018 #127

Ecumenism is pretty common ollie10 Apr 2018 #150

Not nearly as common as exclusivism Major Nikon Apr 2018 #155

I get where you are going with this, Silver Gaia Apr 2018 #7

You don't sound like anyone who's ever presented at a scientific conference. pnwmom Apr 2018 #10

Oh, I have presented at scientific conferences. DetlefK Apr 2018 #15

But it is over-generalizing (and unscientific for that matter) to ignore the FACT ollie10 Apr 2018 #22

First of all, respecting people has nothing whatsoever to do with science. DetlefK Apr 2018 #25

yeah right buddy...... ollie10 Apr 2018 #28

Did I say something wrong? DetlefK Apr 2018 #29

you didn't say anything at all....just a lot of gobbledegook ollie10 Apr 2018 #30

You remind me of someone I encountered on another forum. DetlefK Apr 2018 #69

Well, rather than refute, you just call someone a troll ollie10 Apr 2018 #71

On target. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #85

yeah right buddy... you didn't say anything at all, DetlefK Apr 2018 #177

I don't think Ollie has ever actually discussed religion in this group. Mariana Apr 2018 #141

97% of scientists believe in global warming..... ollie10 Apr 2018 #110

Depends on the scientists and the circumstances. thucythucy Apr 2018 #112

They don't have one term. They have many. For example, they are just as likely pnwmom Apr 2018 #167

Like that time Dawkins burned Gould at the stake over Punctuated Equilibrum? Act_of_Reparation Apr 2018 #182

Ah yes, the brutal NOMA wars. trotsky Apr 2018 #184

Just this year, thousands of Many Worlds-ists were displaced from their native lands... Act_of_Reparation Apr 2018 #186

No worries. Easy to get them confused. trotsky Apr 2018 #187

Huh, it has been several decades since I was in the Science World, GulfCoast66 Apr 2018 #12

Im an Atheist... SkyDaddy7 Apr 2018 #14

Is this just meant to bash religious people? oberliner Apr 2018 #16

Exactly... mark67 Apr 2018 #18

Agreed. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #82

Sure, tolerance demands we must tolerate intolerance Major Nikon Apr 2018 #128

I am new to Democratic Underground SoFlaDem Apr 2018 #17

Hopefully -it will be soon... Fix The Stupid Apr 2018 #19

But what about SoFlaDem Apr 2018 #24

Who is "shunning" those people? trotsky Apr 2018 #34

I guess you missed that! ollie10 Apr 2018 #36

I missed it also Major Nikon Apr 2018 #130

You missed it ollie10 Apr 2018 #148

Id just as soon assume you cant or wont support the assertion Major Nikon Apr 2018 #157

And quietly vote for hatred bigotry war Voltaire2 Apr 2018 #78

heh Heddi Apr 2018 #79

Welcome to DU! The 'lay of the land' here can be hilly- at times. But the bumpy FailureToCommunicate Apr 2018 #20

It's not a progressive value ollie10 Apr 2018 #21

It is progressive to speak truth to power. DetlefK Apr 2018 #23

I haven't been in a church or synagogue or church SoFlaDem Apr 2018 #26

What atheist group is trying to "force" views on anyone here? trotsky Apr 2018 #33

I didn't say that SoFlaDem Apr 2018 #38

OK, I will continue to ask for examples. trotsky Apr 2018 #40

The OP SoFlaDem Apr 2018 #42

Followed by "Believers have different words for such people" trotsky Apr 2018 #43

you're being factitious SoFlaDem Apr 2018 #48

Some indeed do. trotsky Apr 2018 #50

Wait... SoFlaDem Apr 2018 #53

First off, the entire post is clearly intended to be humorous. trotsky Apr 2018 #59

"Believers" without a qualifier would be all inclusive. SoFlaDem Apr 2018 #60

Well then I suggest you berate and lecture the OP for their horrible abuse of all believers. trotsky Apr 2018 #62

Calling my post "berating" SoFlaDem Apr 2018 #68

Yes, it is, isn't it? trotsky Apr 2018 #95

And how about this bit of dialogue? guillaumeb Apr 2018 #86

Sure does remind me of someone, gil. trotsky Apr 2018 #94

And do you see that a excusing this instance? guillaumeb Apr 2018 #118

Uh, it's actually you engaging in whataboutism again, gil. trotsky Apr 2018 #183

Another accusation? guillaumeb Apr 2018 #194

Nope, just observation. trotsky Apr 2018 #199

Oh BTW, could you please visit the following thread as well? trotsky Apr 2018 #65

Humerous? What's the punch line? ollie10 Apr 2018 #113

No....it was not made clear. ollie10 Apr 2018 #55

Tolerance doesnt require me to agree or STFU Major Nikon Apr 2018 #131

So if someone were to say something SoFlaDem Apr 2018 #135

If atheists had a dictionary full of disparaging names for believers Major Nikon Apr 2018 #137

Amd which post was that? guillaumeb Apr 2018 #83

This forum edhopper Apr 2018 #31

Sure, I guess I'm just surprised SoFlaDem Apr 2018 #35

Why? edhopper Apr 2018 #37

I was taught to avoid broad generalizations SoFlaDem Apr 2018 #44

Still waiting for specific examples. trotsky Apr 2018 #47

Speaking of smears: guillaumeb Apr 2018 #87

Were you offended by DetlefK's remarks? trotsky Apr 2018 #96

I am an atheist I don't accept the existence of any gods, edhopper Apr 2018 #49

I'm totally cool with that because I don't believe any different SoFlaDem Apr 2018 #51

One thing to know about this forum edhopper Apr 2018 #57

But THIS is not discussion: guillaumeb Apr 2018 #90

you really want to go that route edhopper Apr 2018 #91

It is one of many. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #92

Yes one of many edhopper Apr 2018 #93

Guillaume, Mon cher! sprinkleeninow Apr 2018 #162

Ca y est! guillaumeb Apr 2018 #191

😉 sprinkleeninow Apr 2018 #203

Well said Major Nikon Apr 2018 #174

Remember what Gil is doing here in the Religion Group. Mariana Apr 2018 #105

Can you provide specific examples of this "intolerance"? trotsky Apr 2018 #32

I'm always so interested Heddi Apr 2018 #80

Is this discussion of religion, or is it name calling? guillaumeb Apr 2018 #88

Hi. I'm heddi. I don't answer for other people's posts Heddi Apr 2018 #100

I am aware of who you are, and how you respond. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #120

But, all atheists are the same, and so are interchangeable. MineralMan Apr 2018 #139

This isn't the first time Gil has done this. Mariana Apr 2018 #142

Ya know it never seems to be any of the rude religionists getting called out, either. trotsky Apr 2018 #117

Indeed. Mariana Apr 2018 #143

Welcome to DU! Mariana Apr 2018 #39

Thanks but I'm not religious SoFlaDem Apr 2018 #45

Well, you aren't alone. Mariana Apr 2018 #52

Quite the opposite. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #89

Good reason not to ignore unnaceptable behavior Major Nikon Apr 2018 #161

Welcome to DU. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #76

I guess since I believe SoFlaDem Apr 2018 #98

yes, religion CAN BE an interesting topic ollie10 Apr 2018 #107

Been my experience too HopeAgain Apr 2018 #116

Your opinions are welcome here. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #119

"I am new to Democratic Underground so I am still getting the lay of the land." Act_of_Reparation Apr 2018 #97

What is that supposed to mean? SoFlaDem Apr 2018 #99

well Heddi Apr 2018 #101

How welcoming. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #123

uh, so when was I critical of religion? Heddi Apr 2018 #125

Wonderfully illustrative of your true feelings on dialogue. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #126

Post removed Post removed Apr 2018 #129

The 11th commandment in use Lordquinton Apr 2018 #180

It is an accurate observation. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #192

They are one and the same in your hands Lordquinton Apr 2018 #195

I am open to dialogue, guillaumeb Apr 2018 #196

There are several open questions to you Lordquinton Apr 2018 #197

Dialogue implies a willingness to lsiten. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #198

So you admit you don't answer questions? Lordquinton Apr 2018 #205

An answer much in harmony with the few and their agenda. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #207

Harmony.. 11th commandment Lordquinton Apr 2018 #208

I like your dearly departed mother! Mariana Apr 2018 #146

If you point out anything bad about religion you are intolerant Major Nikon Apr 2018 #164

I was wondering when he would show up. Like moths to a flame ollie10 Apr 2018 #108

All part of following the requirements of the 11th Commandment. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #124

Calling another poster a liar? guillaumeb Apr 2018 #122

What other poster? Act_of_Reparation Apr 2018 #181

#97 guillaumeb Apr 2018 #193

I can't see #97 Act_of_Reparation Apr 2018 #200

I have an idea. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #204

Sometimes, when a guy gets a new toupe, it takes me a minute to recognize him. Iggo Apr 2018 #206

Welcome to DU wryter2000 Apr 2018 #111

Thank you for the affirmation HopeAgain Apr 2018 #114

It's not you wryter2000 Apr 2018 #147

Welcome, this is a unique forum HopeAgain Apr 2018 #115

Sadly, it seems that most of the people who come to this group do so in order pnwmom Apr 2018 #168

They call them - Going to Hell TBA Apr 2018 #27

You forgot the handbasket. sprinkleeninow Apr 2018 #163

What does a religious person call somebody who believes something different? ollie10 Apr 2018 #41

Im not convinced you speak for most religious people Major Nikon Apr 2018 #133

I don't speak for anyone ollie10 Apr 2018 #144

Most religious people do the same Major Nikon Apr 2018 #149

You are extremely rude ollie10 Apr 2018 #152

You contradicted yourself which I pointed out matter of factly Major Nikon Apr 2018 #153

Then let's end this. I see no point to continue ollie10 Apr 2018 #156

Agreed Major Nikon Apr 2018 #160

That sounds about right. yallerdawg Apr 2018 #134

Fred or Susan? MineralMan Apr 2018 #61

Far too simplistic. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #75

I call them TEB Apr 2018 #77

Why the name calling? guillaumeb Apr 2018 #84

I call many of them sarisataka Apr 2018 #104

Exactly. yallerdawg Apr 2018 #132

Not exactly Major Nikon Apr 2018 #140

I would call you Major Nikon. yallerdawg Apr 2018 #158

No Major Nikon Apr 2018 #159

What religion? Ferrets are Cool Apr 2018 #154

I've been called: sprinkleeninow Apr 2018 #165

Heterodox! k8conant Apr 2018 #166

What do scientists call another scientist who thinks a different theory is correct? pnwmom Apr 2018 #169

Did scientists invent those words? DetlefK Apr 2018 #178

And my point is that scientists can be just as vehemently certain of themselves, pnwmom Apr 2018 #179

And there are often wars and fighting edhopper Apr 2018 #185

Once we determined DNA carried the genetic information of cells... Act_of_Reparation Apr 2018 #189

And Einstein's refusal to accept Quantum Mechanics edhopper Apr 2018 #190

When I was in school... Act_of_Reparation Apr 2018 #201

+15,000 Angry Dragon Apr 2018 #188