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Mariana

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55. I'm not mocking your faith, nor am I building strawmen.

Sat Apr 21, 2018, 02:29 PM

Apr 2018

I am relating the story faithfully as it is told in the gospels, and giving my opinion about the events described therein. If you think I'm telling the story incorrectly, please post the Bible passages that demonstrate I am wrong.

What makes death a big sacrifice, normally, is that it's permanent. I'm not denying Jesus died an agony, but that isn't unique, lots of people die in agony. They all stay dead, though. They don't get up and eat and drink and travel around visiting people. Their bodies stay in their graves and rot. The only thing that makes Jesus's death unique is that it was temporary.

Again, what's the big sacrifice in dying temporarily?

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Religion is Convenient for Those Uncomfortable with Questioning [View all] MineralMan Apr 2018 OP

"Religion is a comfy chair"..... ollie10 Apr 2018 #1

Thanks for your kind words... MineralMan Apr 2018 #2

You are welcome... ollie10 Apr 2018 #5

If you believe your Jesus was a god Voltaire2 Apr 2018 #24

how compassionate of you....trumplike even! ollie10 Apr 2018 #25

Do you believe Jesus is an immortal god? Voltaire2 Apr 2018 #30

This message was self-deleted by its author ollie10 Apr 2018 #31

Did you understand what he said? MineralMan Apr 2018 #27

I assume you meant to reply to the upset person. Voltaire2 Apr 2018 #32

Oh, dear. I plead my advanced age. MineralMan Apr 2018 #34

Jesus followed his religion to the cross. Mariana Apr 2018 #36

you apparently are not very knowledgeable of Christianity ollie10 Apr 2018 #42

Oh, I'm quite certain that you are incorrect about her MineralMan Apr 2018 #43

Most Christians don't believe that these martyrs stayed dead. ollie10 Apr 2018 #45

I swear, some people think atheists Mariana Apr 2018 #82

I've read it. Where is Jesus now? Mariana Apr 2018 #44

You think being executed by a cross is a walk in the park? ollie10 Apr 2018 #46

Do you think Jesus was the only person ever crucified? Mariana Apr 2018 #47

And what if you knew beforehand that you'd rise up again and MineralMan Apr 2018 #48

so yes or no....is crucifixion painful? ollie10 Apr 2018 #50

Understanding what it entails, yes, absolutely painful MineralMan Apr 2018 #51

So you don't understand what a simple yes or no answer is? ollie10 Apr 2018 #52

Very few questions can be answered with a yes or a no. MineralMan Apr 2018 #54

I have noticed how often it is that when people want to bs they increase the number of words used ollie10 Apr 2018 #60

Is that what you've noticed? MineralMan Apr 2018 #62

So could you please answer two simple questions? ollie10 Apr 2018 #65

Painful, no doubt. MineralMan Apr 2018 #67

Well, we agree on both answers. ollie10 Apr 2018 #70

Now you know what it's like to be an atheist around here Lordquinton Apr 2018 #85

poor baby.....have a pity party why don't you? ollie10 Apr 2018 #87

Ollie, I have a serious question. Mariana Apr 2018 #89

As a progressive i hate it you are so hateful ollie10 Apr 2018 #94

Jesus clearly said you are to rejoice and be glad. nt. Mariana Apr 2018 #98

If you stopped sneering, I would rejoice ollie10 Apr 2018 #104

Jesus didn't say anything about waiting around for someone to stop. Mariana Apr 2018 #107

Have a good day ollie10 Apr 2018 #110

Oh, please... MineralMan Apr 2018 #90

what is pain to an immortal deity? Voltaire2 Apr 2018 #53

Do you believe in capital punishment? ollie10 Apr 2018 #71

I believe it exists. Voltaire2 Apr 2018 #72

the concept that god or jesus can have pain eludes you, obviously ollie10 Apr 2018 #88

Is Jesus's pain eternal? Mariana Apr 2018 #91

No, not according to scripture ollie10 Apr 2018 #92

"Goffy" isn't an English word. Will you define it, please? nt. Mariana Apr 2018 #93

Typo. Nice. Now the typo police are out ollie10 Apr 2018 #95

So what word did you mean to type? nt. Mariana Apr 2018 #96

Be honest for a change ollie10 Apr 2018 #99

I thought you had all the answers ollie10 Apr 2018 #103

It's generally a bad idea to make stuff up and then actually believe it. Mariana Apr 2018 #106

Your tone is a clue ollie10 Apr 2018 #109

No I am asking you to consider the experience Voltaire2 Apr 2018 #100

according to the Bible, Jesus was a man at the time ollie10 Apr 2018 #102

You should add a few more exclamation marks. Mariana Apr 2018 #105

The punctuation police is working hard ollie10 Apr 2018 #108

According to standard Christian theology Voltaire2 Apr 2018 #111

Post removed Post removed Apr 2018 #113

I guess Ill never know the answer. Voltaire2 Apr 2018 #114

I understand that they may want to keep their beliefs secret. Mariana Apr 2018 #118

The Chalcedonian Creed states that Jesus is both fully God and fully man marylandblue Apr 2018 #117

Sure. It is the fully god part that makes Voltaire2 Apr 2018 #123

Will those criminals come back to life three days later? Lordquinton Apr 2018 #84

Well, their alleged souls might go to some alleged heaven. Mariana Apr 2018 #97

Now who can't answer a simple question? Lordquinton Apr 2018 #116

Most christians believe that if they follow Jesus's path they will have everlasting life ollie10 Apr 2018 #49

I'm not mocking your faith, nor am I building strawmen. Mariana Apr 2018 #55

So it would be ok with you if a future leader of America would use genocide ollie10 Apr 2018 #63

Please answer the question. Mariana Apr 2018 #73

And they make up only about 1/3 of the population of the planet. MineralMan Apr 2018 #56

I believe the poster was specifically talking about Jesus. ollie10 Apr 2018 #66

Did you die a gruesome death? How are you writing this then? rainin Apr 2018 #77

are you trying to be polite? you are not succeeding ollie10 Apr 2018 #86

So for the intellectually challenged, guillaumeb Apr 2018 #3

You said that. I didn't. MineralMan Apr 2018 #4

You followed your regular pattern. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #6

LOL Lordquinton Apr 2018 #7

Share in the delusion. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #8

No, that's why I'm an atheist. Lordquinton Apr 2018 #16

Once again, irony is funny. MineralMan Apr 2018 #9

Yes, it certainly is. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #17

Not exactly Major Nikon Apr 2018 #19

On each side? guillaumeb Apr 2018 #20

I have to agree. /nt bitterross Apr 2018 #58

Well, except when one's religion compels one to take a dangerous or unpopular stand. thucythucy Apr 2018 #10

Yes, of course. MineralMan Apr 2018 #12

Well, the broad implication of the OP seems to be that people of faith thucythucy Apr 2018 #14

Those of faith you mention appeared to be loyal to their faith. The question is, did they simply Doodley Apr 2018 #57

Well, Malcolm X wasn't born into Islam, thucythucy Apr 2018 #74

Merci, mon brave! Mme. Defarge Apr 2018 #69

Thank you! thucythucy Apr 2018 #76

They are the exception. Mariana Apr 2018 #18

Well, the overwhelming majority of white people-- thucythucy Apr 2018 #21

I would be interested in finding out as well. Mariana Apr 2018 #22

I'd place the threats to Dr. King on a whole higher level thucythucy Apr 2018 #23

Yes but... trotsky Apr 2018 #26

Well, that's a theory that can't be tested, thucythucy Apr 2018 #79

Why on earth would it need "testing"? trotsky Apr 2018 #126

Because we have no way of knowing whether the same thucythucy Apr 2018 #132

But we DO know, in OUR timeline, that religion WAS on the side of the oppressors. trotsky Apr 2018 #135

Both the threats to King and Gandhi came from religious MineralMan Apr 2018 #28

This hitler athiest thing is not even close to being settled. Eko Apr 2018 #35

It's settled. Straight from the horse's mouth: Pope George Ringo II Apr 2018 #38

Wow, totally atheist. Eko Apr 2018 #39

It cracks me up. Pope George Ringo II Apr 2018 #41

Are you referring to me? thucythucy Apr 2018 #80

Hitler represents a very tired mistake among the religious, although you get points for honesty. Pope George Ringo II Apr 2018 #83

Hitler ate sausages? I never knew. thucythucy Apr 2018 #112

There's no minimizing the role of religion in the Third Reich Pope George Ringo II Apr 2018 #125

You make a good point. thucythucy Apr 2018 #131

Things often got weirder when Himmler got involved. Pope George Ringo II Apr 2018 #134

I don't think Hitler was an atheist. thucythucy Apr 2018 #75

You seem to be concentrating on a few outstanding individuals Mariana Apr 2018 #37

A lot of people here would argue Eko Apr 2018 #33

Well, I would say that when people do bad things thucythucy Apr 2018 #115

Off the top of my head, you're missing Mariana Apr 2018 #119

How about Harvey Milk? Pope George Ringo II Apr 2018 #120

Perhaps, but I don't see them as being on the same level with a Dr. King thucythucy Apr 2018 #129

So, the level of sacrifice and risk is irrelevant after all. Mariana Apr 2018 #133

Odds are somebody put together a list. Pope George Ringo II Apr 2018 #121

All across the Us today. Eko Apr 2018 #122

A. Philip Randolph Act_of_Reparation Apr 2018 #124

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I'd rather have... NeoGreen Apr 2018 #11

A useful meme. MineralMan Apr 2018 #13

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Physicist Max Tegmark!! longship Apr 2018 #29

There is a vein of orthodoxy edhopper Apr 2018 #40

Fortunately, I don't mind inconvenience bitterross Apr 2018 #59

Youre not serious, are you? Mme. Defarge Apr 2018 #61

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Unitarianism is a similar path many inquisitive former Christians take Major Nikon Apr 2018 #101

True and well-written, MineralMan. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2018 #81

external locus of control is an easy way out of taking responsibility for ones own responsibilities. samnsara Apr 2018 #127

"The devil made me do it!" ... as Flip Wilson would have said! n/t RKP5637 Apr 2018 #128