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Doodley

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104. My point is that we accept things that may not be true. Our own perceptions of the world and

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Fri Apr 27, 2018, 09:30 AM

Apr 2018

our own identities are made up of a jigsaw puzzle of beliefs that may not be reality.

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Is faith superior to knowledge based on physical evidence? [View all] MineralMan Apr 2018 OP

Each has a place. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #1

That was not my question. MineralMan Apr 2018 #2

Here is an answer: guillaumeb Apr 2018 #25

No. It's not. MineralMan Apr 2018 #29

Sarcasm and condescension? guillaumeb Apr 2018 #32

Only where warranted. MineralMan Apr 2018 #100

No Gothmog Apr 2018 #3

Thank you. MineralMan Apr 2018 #4

Why Judaism Embraces Science Gothmog Apr 2018 #9

That's well-stated. Thanks. MineralMan Apr 2018 #11

You just violated the 11th commandment marylandblue Apr 2018 #109

The shame is palpable, indeed. MineralMan Apr 2018 #111

No matter how flexible, organized religion still tries to hamstring science Major Nikon Apr 2018 #12

No. But assuming an absolute answer is equally erroneous. Your answer exists in your head. dameatball Apr 2018 #5

I didn't ask for an absolute answer. MineralMan Apr 2018 #8

It certainly sounds like you did, but at any rate Brainstormy Apr 2018 #17

An excellent answer. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #22

Knowledge based on physical evidence can change when new evidence is presented. trotsky Apr 2018 #97

"Then saith he to Thomas... yallerdawg Apr 2018 #6

Thomas lacked faith and demanded proof. MineralMan Apr 2018 #10

This midrasch (sp?) is sort on point Gothmog Apr 2018 #13

Another fine story. MineralMan Apr 2018 #21

Generally speaking does nonsense become more valid as more believe it? Major Nikon Apr 2018 #19

There is strength in numbers, but not truth, MineralMan Apr 2018 #23

Thats why its a fallacy Major Nikon Apr 2018 #35

It is not nonsense to a believer. yallerdawg Apr 2018 #24

I said generally speaking Major Nikon Apr 2018 #30

God - green cheese. yallerdawg Apr 2018 #34

Im not saying they are Major Nikon Apr 2018 #38

If I believed the moon was made of green cheese... yallerdawg Apr 2018 #43

So the difference is falsifiability, yes? Major Nikon Apr 2018 #49

No. yallerdawg Apr 2018 #52

So you are now claiming falsifiability isnt different between the two? Major Nikon Apr 2018 #56

So eating moonrocks is a shaky way to decide they aren't cheese? marylandblue Apr 2018 #58

The great thing about scientific proof is... yallerdawg Apr 2018 #73

Personally I wouldn't call closed mindedness superior, YMMV Major Nikon Apr 2018 #85

So it's better just to keep "faith" and ignore facts? marylandblue Apr 2018 #94

There are billions of Christians who think God is a Trinity marylandblue Apr 2018 #53

There are billions and billions of believers. yallerdawg Apr 2018 #57

So its not reasonable to assume the vast majority of Muslims are monotheists? Major Nikon Apr 2018 #59

Do you want to dispute and argue with them... yallerdawg Apr 2018 #74

So now you're the one claiming to know what every one of them believes Major Nikon Apr 2018 #83

You asked for evidence about the beliefs of billions of people marylandblue Apr 2018 #60

See - you didn't go with the "green cheese" argument, either. yallerdawg Apr 2018 #62

See post 58, I got you eating moonrocks marylandblue Apr 2018 #63

That is an excellent idea. Mariana Apr 2018 #61

I believe that divisive, intolerant attacks on people of faith... yallerdawg Apr 2018 #64

Sure, and I believe that Donald Trump sucks eggs marylandblue Apr 2018 #107

Maybe y'all should just go ahead and answer the questions directed at me... yallerdawg Apr 2018 #113

You can answer any way you like marylandblue Apr 2018 #114

Oh, he understands them, I'm pretty sure. Mariana Apr 2018 #119

When all the stories in the Bible edhopper Apr 2018 #67

Among people of faith Mariana Apr 2018 #26

For ALL people of faith... yallerdawg Apr 2018 #33

That doesn't answer my question. Mariana Apr 2018 #37

The question was answered. yallerdawg Apr 2018 #41

So you side with edhopper Apr 2018 #68

That's simple. yallerdawg Apr 2018 #71

So to completely contrary things edhopper Apr 2018 #75

"For ALL people of faith... faith is superior to knowledge based on physical evidence." Fix The Stupid Apr 2018 #90

Irony... NeoGreen Apr 2018 #91

No Comatose Sphagetti Apr 2018 #7

faith is believing in something even though you know it is absolutely not true nt msongs Apr 2018 #14

Faith: yallerdawg Apr 2018 #18

So the question is. .. Bretton Garcia Apr 2018 #135

Maybe it's belief and truth that are two different concepts marylandblue Apr 2018 #137

You think? MineralMan Apr 2018 #138

Incorrect. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #20

Explain why. MineralMan Apr 2018 #27

msongs made an assertion. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #31

Philosophers generally don't rely faith marylandblue Apr 2018 #40

Unless of course meaninglessness becomes nauseating... yallerdawg Apr 2018 #45

You create your own meaning marylandblue Apr 2018 #47

If you have any doubt you are inauthentic. yallerdawg Apr 2018 #48

Doubt is not inauthentic, you can commit with doubt marylandblue Apr 2018 #50

Doubt is meaningless. Doubt is purposeless. Doubt is nauseating. yallerdawg Apr 2018 #55

I don't find doubt to be meaningless or nauseating marylandblue Apr 2018 #65

Everyone has some things they believe in. yallerdawg Apr 2018 #72

You are using ambiguities in the word "faith" marylandblue Apr 2018 #77

To be fair, most religious people did not choose. Mariana Apr 2018 #84

That's one of the oddities of faith as a philosophical position marylandblue Apr 2018 #92

You seem to mixing up Kierkegaard, a theologian and Satre, a philosopher marylandblue Apr 2018 #123

I'm pretty sure you have that backwards. yallerdawg Apr 2018 #125

Sartre was an atheist marylandblue Apr 2018 #131

Exactly. Atheist. yallerdawg Apr 2018 #132

What? Voltaire2 Apr 2018 #133

Kierkegaard was trained as a theologian marylandblue Apr 2018 #134

Feel free to cite with proof of your assertion. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #121

Feel free to take a course in philosophy marylandblue Apr 2018 #122

Alternatively, guillaumeb Apr 2018 #124

Sorry, not everything is available by cite on the internet marylandblue Apr 2018 #130

Trying also to understand humanity's purpose in creation. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #142

Yes theology is different philosophy and science marylandblue Apr 2018 #143

True, And some did it well. eom guillaumeb Apr 2018 #144

Still doesn't support your point marylandblue Apr 2018 #145

We must continue to disagree on the matter. eom guillaumeb Apr 2018 #146

There are some intersections between religion and philosophy Major Nikon Apr 2018 #51

"Faith and science are separate fields." trotsky Apr 2018 #95

Faith is belief in the impossible. Iggo Apr 2018 #120

Hell no! BigmanPigman Apr 2018 #15

Pretty much all other forms of evidence are superior to faith Major Nikon Apr 2018 #16

So I believe, too. MineralMan Apr 2018 #28

The Jewish answer is interesting marylandblue Apr 2018 #36

I found a faith that fits me Gothmog Apr 2018 #39

It doesn't sound like faith in the Christian sense marylandblue Apr 2018 #46

Not mutually exclusive... AncientGeezer Apr 2018 #42

Absolutely not. bitterross Apr 2018 #44

No... Docreed2003 Apr 2018 #54

Thank you for a very good personal answer. MineralMan Apr 2018 #98

Glad to contribute...thanks for reading it! Docreed2003 Apr 2018 #108

Is faith superior to knowledge based on physical evidence? Yes. Doodley Apr 2018 #66

I disagree with everything you said edhopper Apr 2018 #69

Where do you get your 'facts' to form your belief in climate change? Are you a scientist? Have you Doodley Apr 2018 #70

No that is not how edhopper Apr 2018 #76

Did I say science works by faith? My point is that we can pick and choose our 'science.' Doodley Apr 2018 #81

I've looked at measurements from others and made my own calculations marylandblue Apr 2018 #80

Where do you get the figure of 99% all getting exactly the same conclusion? Doodley Apr 2018 #82

The 99% figure is from scientific journals marylandblue Apr 2018 #86

Funny, but I have consistently seen the figure of 97%. Where is your evidence that the figure Doodley Apr 2018 #87

99% may be my bad memory, 97% sounds right. marylandblue Apr 2018 #89

97% vs. 99% Act_of_Reparation Apr 2018 #93

My point is that we accept things that may not be true. Our own perceptions of the world and Doodley Apr 2018 #104

Yes that's true, but if we were to argue the point marylandblue Apr 2018 #110

So what. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2018 #115

You're equivocating. trotsky Apr 2018 #116

Damnit, trotsky. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2018 #117

LOL trotsky Apr 2018 #118

I'm the Boltzmann Brain. Voltaire2 Apr 2018 #140

That's an interesting interpretation of the word "superior." MineralMan Apr 2018 #99

Take away everything you believe, and what do you have left? Nothing. Doodley Apr 2018 #102

Nope. Take away everything I think about and that might be true. MineralMan Apr 2018 #105

Sometimes you have faith because you did the math, LuvLoogie Apr 2018 #78

Predictions that come true 100 % of the time. .. Bretton Garcia Apr 2018 #136

Many people of faith believe the physical world is real. LuvLoogie Apr 2018 #139

Which is why casinos are filled with fail. Voltaire2 Apr 2018 #141

Only if we're living in a simulation. byronius Apr 2018 #79

I once had Faith. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Apr 2018 #88

LOL! Doodley Apr 2018 #128

In no way, shape, or form. trotsky Apr 2018 #96

I agree, of course. MineralMan Apr 2018 #112

In saying that, do you feel that you only have faith in things supported by evidence? Doodley Apr 2018 #126

No. If things are supported by evidence, no faith is needed. MineralMan Apr 2018 #129

Parts of our brains are way stimulated by fear and social needs and religion fills that need Kolesar Apr 2018 #101

That's an interesting thing to consider. MineralMan Apr 2018 #103

Our conscious thinking is in the cerebrum, but we have mighty unconscious thinking in the cerebrum Kolesar Apr 2018 #106

A long time ago, I feared everything. Somebody asked me what it was that I feared. Doodley Apr 2018 #127