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DetlefK

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58. What academic institutions and libraries were destroyed by the Church?

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The weakness of science without a belief system. [View all] guillaumeb May 2018 OP

Other than the quote you started with marylandblue May 2018 #1

Religion and science both spring from a desire for information. guillaumeb May 2018 #2

Well that narrows it down. marylandblue May 2018 #4

A commonality. guillaumeb May 2018 #19

a lot of things are "desire for knowledge." marylandblue May 2018 #24

more likely that religion is the supression of actual information other than made up msongs May 2018 #5

Your opinion. guillaumeb May 2018 #20

Does religion in general spring from a desire for information and understanding? muriel_volestrangler May 2018 #43

I would say that religion expresses the desire for understanding. guillaumeb May 2018 #48

That presumes the existence of a deity muriel_volestrangler May 2018 #53

"Our place" as it refers to our relationship with a deity. guillaumeb May 2018 #61

So for religions to have any bearing on reality, we need another way to find out muriel_volestrangler May 2018 #63

I've asked you many many times but you've refused to answer this question: trotsky May 2018 #92

How did you know that atheism was correct? guillaumeb May 2018 #99

See, this again shows your fundamental misunderstanding of what atheism is. trotsky May 2018 #107

I think that you are avoiding calling your belief a belief. guillaumeb May 2018 #110

I don't give a shit what you think. trotsky May 2018 #111

Such creativity. guillaumeb May 2018 #112

You go on being what you think a Christian should be, gil. trotsky May 2018 #113

Such adherence to the Commandment. guillaumeb May 2018 #114

Seriously, WTF does that even mean? trotsky May 2018 #116

I think Gil's imaginary 11th Commandment needs an update. Mariana May 2018 #118

We can dispense with all the nonsense by simply stating what we all know: trotsky May 2018 #119

With the encouragement of numerous personal messages Mariana May 2018 #120

Ah yes, the vast hordes of believers cheering him on via PMs... trotsky May 2018 #121

And some will keep verifying the correctness of the initial 11th Commandment guillaumeb May 2018 #122

I honestly don't understand. trotsky May 2018 #124

Reread my post on the 11th Commandment. guillaumeb May 2018 #125

You poor thing. trotsky May 2018 #127

It's not. trotsky May 2018 #91

Sounds like Religion created a prison for Galileo. Eko May 2018 #3

And let's not forget Bruno thewhollytoast May 2018 #6

We must forget about all the ways in which religion hamstrings science Major Nikon May 2018 #17

I recently read a biography of Galileo's daughter. guillaumeb May 2018 #21

How did he see it? nt. Mariana May 2018 #27

Nah. False. Empiricism is science. sharedvalues May 2018 #7

So what!? longship May 2018 #8

A search for knowledge. guillaumeb May 2018 #22

Not too sure that's found in religion too often. longship May 2018 #30

Much depends on who is searching. eom guillaumeb May 2018 #34

I agree with that. longship May 2018 #36

I do not see "religion" as of necessity treading into science. guillaumeb May 2018 #47

Well, I call that a significant problem, Gil. longship May 2018 #52

Another apt quote: yallerdawg May 2018 #9

That quote makes no sense Lordquinton May 2018 #11

Obviously the stfu form. Voltaire2 May 2018 #13

We may never know Lordquinton May 2018 #40

There's only one kind of atheism Major Nikon May 2018 #16

Yes, and all atheists are identical and interchangeable. nt. Mariana May 2018 #28

We are told Lordquinton May 2018 #42

Ouch!!!! guillaumeb May 2018 #23

I like "The Devoutly Undevout" as a fundamentalist descriptor! yallerdawg May 2018 #25

Why did you put "Godless Enlightenment" in quotes? Mariana May 2018 #29

And the concept of atheistic fundamentalists arises as well. guillaumeb May 2018 #32

Along with subliteracy Major Nikon May 2018 #35

Why are you linking to a post from 2014 Mariana May 2018 #37

Why are you discussing the internal workings of DU? guillaumeb May 2018 #49

I'm not discussing the internal workings of DU. Mariana May 2018 #51

Yes, you are. guillaumeb May 2018 #60

Lecturing someone about the TOS is also covered Major Nikon May 2018 #64

Why bother? guillaumeb May 2018 #69

So why bother whining incessantly about it? Major Nikon May 2018 #72

Simply pointing out the obvious double standard. guillaumeb May 2018 #73

Obvious to whom? Major Nikon May 2018 #74

Obvious to all except possibly those who engage in it. guillaumeb May 2018 #75

So how do you know you don't engage in it? Major Nikon May 2018 #76

That is for you to point out. guillaumeb May 2018 #77

No, it's not Major Nikon May 2018 #78

Incorrect reading on your part. guillaumeb May 2018 #79

You stole my line! Major Nikon May 2018 #80

If the administrators didn't want anyone to know Mariana May 2018 #65

Linking to an OP by an anti-atheist troll? Rob H. May 2018 #38

Anti-atheist? Not at all. guillaumeb May 2018 #50

Dude. He logged in under his wife's name Rob H. May 2018 #68

And exactly how would you know this? guillaumeb May 2018 #71

Everything you need to know is available Rob H. May 2018 #83

Right. guillaumeb May 2018 #98

The ppr & ffr... NeoGreen May 2018 #100

Exactly Rob H. May 2018 #102

Wrong. Rob H. May 2018 #103

Sure, because the lack of belief requires belief Major Nikon May 2018 #41

Origin of the Species eom marylandblue May 2018 #44

Doesn't sound nearly as interesting as stories about talking snakes and donkeys Major Nikon May 2018 #45

Yes, Darwin had a problem with that marylandblue May 2018 #46

My perspective on this is PatrickforO May 2018 #10

There are several misconceptions in your OP: DetlefK May 2018 #12

Even if you discount the inherent corruptibility of organized religion... Major Nikon May 2018 #15

As to your own conclusion, guillaumeb May 2018 #33

Sure, there are those who absolutely believe ethics can only come from an imaginary friend Major Nikon May 2018 #39

Are you suggesting ethics can only come from our imaginary friends? Major Nikon May 2018 #14

Your religion destroyed the academic institutions Voltaire2 May 2018 #18

Fast forward to today... Major Nikon May 2018 #31

What are you talking about? DetlefK May 2018 #54

Well that is a bit of a straw man. Voltaire2 May 2018 #55

You just don't get it Major Nikon May 2018 #56

What academic institutions and libraries were destroyed by the Church? DetlefK May 2018 #58

A better question is which ones weren't Major Nikon May 2018 #59

That example you cite has nothing to do with your claim. DetlefK May 2018 #88

It wasn't my claim Major Nikon May 2018 #94

It was. DetlefK May 2018 #95

You just linked to another DUer's post and pretended it was mine Major Nikon May 2018 #96

My bad. Sorry. DetlefK May 2018 #105

Happens to the best of us Major Nikon May 2018 #106

yup lapfog_1 May 2018 #26

I am looking at America today edhopper May 2018 #57

I am looking at your statement guillaumeb May 2018 #62

That's not what was said, but don't let that stop a good strawman rant Major Nikon May 2018 #66

While those who are religious do not edhopper May 2018 #67

Science divorced from morality guillaumeb May 2018 #70

morality does not necessitate edhopper May 2018 #81

Those are not examples of science divorced from morality marylandblue May 2018 #82

But we must ignore religion divorced from morality Major Nikon May 2018 #85

How much of a holy text must one take literally before they are considered a literalist? trotsky May 2018 #93

I suspect a literalist may be defined Mariana May 2018 #104

Given his total lack of response whenever he is asked this question, trotsky May 2018 #108

Ask a literalist. guillaumeb May 2018 #115

You're the one labeling people with the term. trotsky May 2018 #117

Literally the only one using that term Lordquinton May 2018 #123

Newton was not a Christian Loki Liesmith May 2018 #84

I'm not convinced that's true Major Nikon May 2018 #86

Guil repeats a common saying of the Church. Bretton Garcia May 2018 #87

"So it may be that we should just give up on Guil's ultimate 'why'." Act_of_Reparation May 2018 #97

Comedy Gold... NeoGreen May 2018 #89

Yawn. Act_of_Reparation May 2018 #90

Sounds like you feel religion is needed for one to be responsible bettyellen May 2018 #101

No, I do not. guillaumeb May 2018 #109

Belief System: or "B.S." for short Blue Owl May 2018 #126