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trotsky

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119. We can dispense with all the nonsense by simply stating what we all know:

Thu May 10, 2018, 11:47 AM

May 2018

Gil doesn't like reading bad things about religion here, so he will invent whatever foolishness he needs to try and either silence the criticism, or stigmatize those making it.

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The weakness of science without a belief system. [View all] guillaumeb May 2018 OP

Other than the quote you started with marylandblue May 2018 #1

Religion and science both spring from a desire for information. guillaumeb May 2018 #2

Well that narrows it down. marylandblue May 2018 #4

A commonality. guillaumeb May 2018 #19

a lot of things are "desire for knowledge." marylandblue May 2018 #24

more likely that religion is the supression of actual information other than made up msongs May 2018 #5

Your opinion. guillaumeb May 2018 #20

Does religion in general spring from a desire for information and understanding? muriel_volestrangler May 2018 #43

I would say that religion expresses the desire for understanding. guillaumeb May 2018 #48

That presumes the existence of a deity muriel_volestrangler May 2018 #53

"Our place" as it refers to our relationship with a deity. guillaumeb May 2018 #61

So for religions to have any bearing on reality, we need another way to find out muriel_volestrangler May 2018 #63

I've asked you many many times but you've refused to answer this question: trotsky May 2018 #92

How did you know that atheism was correct? guillaumeb May 2018 #99

See, this again shows your fundamental misunderstanding of what atheism is. trotsky May 2018 #107

I think that you are avoiding calling your belief a belief. guillaumeb May 2018 #110

I don't give a shit what you think. trotsky May 2018 #111

Such creativity. guillaumeb May 2018 #112

You go on being what you think a Christian should be, gil. trotsky May 2018 #113

Such adherence to the Commandment. guillaumeb May 2018 #114

Seriously, WTF does that even mean? trotsky May 2018 #116

I think Gil's imaginary 11th Commandment needs an update. Mariana May 2018 #118

We can dispense with all the nonsense by simply stating what we all know: trotsky May 2018 #119

With the encouragement of numerous personal messages Mariana May 2018 #120

Ah yes, the vast hordes of believers cheering him on via PMs... trotsky May 2018 #121

And some will keep verifying the correctness of the initial 11th Commandment guillaumeb May 2018 #122

I honestly don't understand. trotsky May 2018 #124

Reread my post on the 11th Commandment. guillaumeb May 2018 #125

You poor thing. trotsky May 2018 #127

It's not. trotsky May 2018 #91

Sounds like Religion created a prison for Galileo. Eko May 2018 #3

And let's not forget Bruno thewhollytoast May 2018 #6

We must forget about all the ways in which religion hamstrings science Major Nikon May 2018 #17

I recently read a biography of Galileo's daughter. guillaumeb May 2018 #21

How did he see it? nt. Mariana May 2018 #27

Nah. False. Empiricism is science. sharedvalues May 2018 #7

So what!? longship May 2018 #8

A search for knowledge. guillaumeb May 2018 #22

Not too sure that's found in religion too often. longship May 2018 #30

Much depends on who is searching. eom guillaumeb May 2018 #34

I agree with that. longship May 2018 #36

I do not see "religion" as of necessity treading into science. guillaumeb May 2018 #47

Well, I call that a significant problem, Gil. longship May 2018 #52

Another apt quote: yallerdawg May 2018 #9

That quote makes no sense Lordquinton May 2018 #11

Obviously the stfu form. Voltaire2 May 2018 #13

We may never know Lordquinton May 2018 #40

There's only one kind of atheism Major Nikon May 2018 #16

Yes, and all atheists are identical and interchangeable. nt. Mariana May 2018 #28

We are told Lordquinton May 2018 #42

Ouch!!!! guillaumeb May 2018 #23

I like "The Devoutly Undevout" as a fundamentalist descriptor! yallerdawg May 2018 #25

Why did you put "Godless Enlightenment" in quotes? Mariana May 2018 #29

And the concept of atheistic fundamentalists arises as well. guillaumeb May 2018 #32

Along with subliteracy Major Nikon May 2018 #35

Why are you linking to a post from 2014 Mariana May 2018 #37

Why are you discussing the internal workings of DU? guillaumeb May 2018 #49

I'm not discussing the internal workings of DU. Mariana May 2018 #51

Yes, you are. guillaumeb May 2018 #60

Lecturing someone about the TOS is also covered Major Nikon May 2018 #64

Why bother? guillaumeb May 2018 #69

So why bother whining incessantly about it? Major Nikon May 2018 #72

Simply pointing out the obvious double standard. guillaumeb May 2018 #73

Obvious to whom? Major Nikon May 2018 #74

Obvious to all except possibly those who engage in it. guillaumeb May 2018 #75

So how do you know you don't engage in it? Major Nikon May 2018 #76

That is for you to point out. guillaumeb May 2018 #77

No, it's not Major Nikon May 2018 #78

Incorrect reading on your part. guillaumeb May 2018 #79

You stole my line! Major Nikon May 2018 #80

If the administrators didn't want anyone to know Mariana May 2018 #65

Linking to an OP by an anti-atheist troll? Rob H. May 2018 #38

Anti-atheist? Not at all. guillaumeb May 2018 #50

Dude. He logged in under his wife's name Rob H. May 2018 #68

And exactly how would you know this? guillaumeb May 2018 #71

Everything you need to know is available Rob H. May 2018 #83

Right. guillaumeb May 2018 #98

The ppr & ffr... NeoGreen May 2018 #100

Exactly Rob H. May 2018 #102

Wrong. Rob H. May 2018 #103

Sure, because the lack of belief requires belief Major Nikon May 2018 #41

Origin of the Species eom marylandblue May 2018 #44

Doesn't sound nearly as interesting as stories about talking snakes and donkeys Major Nikon May 2018 #45

Yes, Darwin had a problem with that marylandblue May 2018 #46

My perspective on this is PatrickforO May 2018 #10

There are several misconceptions in your OP: DetlefK May 2018 #12

Even if you discount the inherent corruptibility of organized religion... Major Nikon May 2018 #15

As to your own conclusion, guillaumeb May 2018 #33

Sure, there are those who absolutely believe ethics can only come from an imaginary friend Major Nikon May 2018 #39

Are you suggesting ethics can only come from our imaginary friends? Major Nikon May 2018 #14

Your religion destroyed the academic institutions Voltaire2 May 2018 #18

Fast forward to today... Major Nikon May 2018 #31

What are you talking about? DetlefK May 2018 #54

Well that is a bit of a straw man. Voltaire2 May 2018 #55

You just don't get it Major Nikon May 2018 #56

What academic institutions and libraries were destroyed by the Church? DetlefK May 2018 #58

A better question is which ones weren't Major Nikon May 2018 #59

That example you cite has nothing to do with your claim. DetlefK May 2018 #88

It wasn't my claim Major Nikon May 2018 #94

It was. DetlefK May 2018 #95

You just linked to another DUer's post and pretended it was mine Major Nikon May 2018 #96

My bad. Sorry. DetlefK May 2018 #105

Happens to the best of us Major Nikon May 2018 #106

yup lapfog_1 May 2018 #26

I am looking at America today edhopper May 2018 #57

I am looking at your statement guillaumeb May 2018 #62

That's not what was said, but don't let that stop a good strawman rant Major Nikon May 2018 #66

While those who are religious do not edhopper May 2018 #67

Science divorced from morality guillaumeb May 2018 #70

morality does not necessitate edhopper May 2018 #81

Those are not examples of science divorced from morality marylandblue May 2018 #82

But we must ignore religion divorced from morality Major Nikon May 2018 #85

How much of a holy text must one take literally before they are considered a literalist? trotsky May 2018 #93

I suspect a literalist may be defined Mariana May 2018 #104

Given his total lack of response whenever he is asked this question, trotsky May 2018 #108

Ask a literalist. guillaumeb May 2018 #115

You're the one labeling people with the term. trotsky May 2018 #117

Literally the only one using that term Lordquinton May 2018 #123

Newton was not a Christian Loki Liesmith May 2018 #84

I'm not convinced that's true Major Nikon May 2018 #86

Guil repeats a common saying of the Church. Bretton Garcia May 2018 #87

"So it may be that we should just give up on Guil's ultimate 'why'." Act_of_Reparation May 2018 #97

Comedy Gold... NeoGreen May 2018 #89

Yawn. Act_of_Reparation May 2018 #90

Sounds like you feel religion is needed for one to be responsible bettyellen May 2018 #101

No, I do not. guillaumeb May 2018 #109

Belief System: or "B.S." for short Blue Owl May 2018 #126