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bobbieinok

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5. I left SBC in 61 and gladly. The leaders as a whole are pretty messed up. Calvinists in control.

Fri Jun 1, 2018, 09:03 PM

Jun 2018

Albert Mohler, president of SBC's Southern Seminary in Louisville is pretty much the 'pope' of the SBC.

He's pushed the teaching of Calvinist theology in all the seminaries and apparently thinks you have to believe in Young Earth Creationism (that earth was created 6000 yrs ago) to be a Christian.

He supports CJ Mahaney (sp?) of Sovreign Grace Ministries, which is believably accused of covering up multiple cases of child abuse within their institutions.

From reading comments at the blog thewartburgwatch.com (run by 2 women in NC, one a former SBC member and one still a member), most feel the SBC is a lost cause.

Their primary complaint seems to be the SBC theology that claims men are the head of the family and church and women are eternally relegated to a submissive, subordinate role. Convention seems locked into this. I don't see much hope of it changing.

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Moving on from the Patterson Debacle [View all] guillaumeb Jun 2018 OP

I read/skimmed the whole essay. I found it pretty weak on ideas for SBC changing its views on women. bobbieinok Jun 2018 #1

What did you think of the author's analysis of the problem? guillaumeb Jun 2018 #2

I left SBC in 61 and gladly. The leaders as a whole are pretty messed up. Calvinists in control. bobbieinok Jun 2018 #5

Thank you for the information. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #6

There are several Bapt denominations. SBC is largest. bobbieinok Jun 2018 #7

They still believe in evangelizing because God said so, but marylandblue Jun 2018 #8

Didn't Calvin say everyone is '"hopelessly depraved"? Bretton Garcia Jun 2018 #12

Many in SBC churches state that preachers constantly denounce congregagtion for depravity bobbieinok Jun 2018 #14

I understand the argument for predestination, guillaumeb Jun 2018 #16

'Free will' has been the dominant SBC theology until the New Calvinist takeover bobbieinok Jun 2018 #20

And to follow this concept to what I see as its logical conclusion, guillaumeb Jun 2018 #24

That does appear to follow. God sets you up to fail and then punishes you for it!! bobbieinok Jun 2018 #29

And yet Jesus speaks of redemption. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #36

God sets you up to fail and then tortures you when you do. No sane person worships this god bobbieinok Jun 2018 #42

I would say that the Creator believes in free will. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #51

I thought you said your old sparky god just lit off the big bang. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #21

No, you are confused. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #25

I agree your many pronouncements about the nature Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #31

I think that the confusion is yours. eom guillaumeb Jun 2018 #38

Of course. Once again you've tripped over your own Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #47

I've watched the Calvinists take over the SBC throughout my life. LuvNewcastle Jun 2018 #49

Check this out: Mariana Jun 2018 #3

This is your interpretation, guillaumeb Jun 2018 #4

Well at the risk of interpreting a bit, the author actually suggests something quite radical marylandblue Jun 2018 #10

I thought that his remarks were excessively diplomatic. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #17

That's the problem with conservative religion marylandblue Jun 2018 #19

That can be the problem with "politicians" guillaumeb Jun 2018 #23

It's a particular problem in conservative religion marylandblue Jun 2018 #30

Moving on means admitting the bible is wrong Major Nikon Jun 2018 #32

They change all the time marylandblue Jun 2018 #33

There's no shortage of Southern Baptists who are no-shit flat earthers Major Nikon Jun 2018 #39

Part of being a conservative is not to know the difference marylandblue Jun 2018 #43

Yeah, but they no longer insist that it's God's will for them to own slaves. Mariana Jun 2018 #46

They do, it's just different today Major Nikon Jun 2018 #48

Agreed. eom guillaumeb Jun 2018 #37

In the SBC, it is a radical idea Major Nikon Jun 2018 #9

Yes, I know. I was pointing this out to Gil Mariana Jun 2018 #11

Patterson isn't a problem for the SBC, he is a symptom Major Nikon Jun 2018 #13

The SBC will just take a small step to the right. MineralMan Jun 2018 #15

As the article shows, it is not a monolith. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #18

There is no indication that they are changing anything other than tossing some people out. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #22

There is a difference between supporting any group, guillaumeb Jun 2018 #26

There's also a difference between pointing out problems and excusing them Major Nikon Jun 2018 #28

Can I assume that you did not read my reply? guillaumeb Jun 2018 #34

No Major Nikon Jun 2018 #40

Sorry, but I must. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #41

Horseshit Major Nikon Jun 2018 #44

It makes an excellent fertilizer, if allowed to ferment. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #52

I'm sure there must be some reason why someone is an apologist for this kind of shit Major Nikon Jun 2018 #27

I would suggest rereading the article. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #35

I would suggest self-deleting the far right wing garbage you posted which I sure as hell did read Major Nikon Jun 2018 #45

Hmmm: "I am not arguing for acceptance of radical feminist theology. And although I personally struggle4progress Jun 2018 #50

I see someone who is searching fro a better way, guillaumeb Jun 2018 #53

It's not "bureaucratic speak" but an inability to escape from a certain web of pre-conceived notions struggle4progress Jun 2018 #54

I agree that it is not an effective way to change minds. eom guillaumeb Jun 2018 #55