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guillaumeb

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25. No, you are confused.

Reply to Voltaire2 (Reply #21)

Sat Jun 2, 2018, 05:05 PM

Jun 2018

I am arguing for free will.

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Moving on from the Patterson Debacle [View all] guillaumeb Jun 2018 OP

I read/skimmed the whole essay. I found it pretty weak on ideas for SBC changing its views on women. bobbieinok Jun 2018 #1

What did you think of the author's analysis of the problem? guillaumeb Jun 2018 #2

I left SBC in 61 and gladly. The leaders as a whole are pretty messed up. Calvinists in control. bobbieinok Jun 2018 #5

Thank you for the information. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #6

There are several Bapt denominations. SBC is largest. bobbieinok Jun 2018 #7

They still believe in evangelizing because God said so, but marylandblue Jun 2018 #8

Didn't Calvin say everyone is '"hopelessly depraved"? Bretton Garcia Jun 2018 #12

Many in SBC churches state that preachers constantly denounce congregagtion for depravity bobbieinok Jun 2018 #14

I understand the argument for predestination, guillaumeb Jun 2018 #16

'Free will' has been the dominant SBC theology until the New Calvinist takeover bobbieinok Jun 2018 #20

And to follow this concept to what I see as its logical conclusion, guillaumeb Jun 2018 #24

That does appear to follow. God sets you up to fail and then punishes you for it!! bobbieinok Jun 2018 #29

And yet Jesus speaks of redemption. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #36

God sets you up to fail and then tortures you when you do. No sane person worships this god bobbieinok Jun 2018 #42

I would say that the Creator believes in free will. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #51

I thought you said your old sparky god just lit off the big bang. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #21

No, you are confused. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #25

I agree your many pronouncements about the nature Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #31

I think that the confusion is yours. eom guillaumeb Jun 2018 #38

Of course. Once again you've tripped over your own Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #47

I've watched the Calvinists take over the SBC throughout my life. LuvNewcastle Jun 2018 #49

Check this out: Mariana Jun 2018 #3

This is your interpretation, guillaumeb Jun 2018 #4

Well at the risk of interpreting a bit, the author actually suggests something quite radical marylandblue Jun 2018 #10

I thought that his remarks were excessively diplomatic. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #17

That's the problem with conservative religion marylandblue Jun 2018 #19

That can be the problem with "politicians" guillaumeb Jun 2018 #23

It's a particular problem in conservative religion marylandblue Jun 2018 #30

Moving on means admitting the bible is wrong Major Nikon Jun 2018 #32

They change all the time marylandblue Jun 2018 #33

There's no shortage of Southern Baptists who are no-shit flat earthers Major Nikon Jun 2018 #39

Part of being a conservative is not to know the difference marylandblue Jun 2018 #43

Yeah, but they no longer insist that it's God's will for them to own slaves. Mariana Jun 2018 #46

They do, it's just different today Major Nikon Jun 2018 #48

Agreed. eom guillaumeb Jun 2018 #37

In the SBC, it is a radical idea Major Nikon Jun 2018 #9

Yes, I know. I was pointing this out to Gil Mariana Jun 2018 #11

Patterson isn't a problem for the SBC, he is a symptom Major Nikon Jun 2018 #13

The SBC will just take a small step to the right. MineralMan Jun 2018 #15

As the article shows, it is not a monolith. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #18

There is no indication that they are changing anything other than tossing some people out. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #22

There is a difference between supporting any group, guillaumeb Jun 2018 #26

There's also a difference between pointing out problems and excusing them Major Nikon Jun 2018 #28

Can I assume that you did not read my reply? guillaumeb Jun 2018 #34

No Major Nikon Jun 2018 #40

Sorry, but I must. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #41

Horseshit Major Nikon Jun 2018 #44

It makes an excellent fertilizer, if allowed to ferment. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #52

I'm sure there must be some reason why someone is an apologist for this kind of shit Major Nikon Jun 2018 #27

I would suggest rereading the article. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #35

I would suggest self-deleting the far right wing garbage you posted which I sure as hell did read Major Nikon Jun 2018 #45

Hmmm: "I am not arguing for acceptance of radical feminist theology. And although I personally struggle4progress Jun 2018 #50

I see someone who is searching fro a better way, guillaumeb Jun 2018 #53

It's not "bureaucratic speak" but an inability to escape from a certain web of pre-conceived notions struggle4progress Jun 2018 #54

I agree that it is not an effective way to change minds. eom guillaumeb Jun 2018 #55