Religion

TimeSnowDemos

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25. That's not MY point

Mon Jun 4, 2018, 01:44 PM

Jun 2018

Not do I think it's provable in the way you assume.

No one can - again - agree on what belief means. So how that relatively ill-defined concept can be definitively tied to anything is IMO a stretch.

Is blowing up a shop 'for Islam' the same thing as saying that Islam causes terror?

Or is religion an excuse used by some to justify behavior they'd do even without religion?

Etc.

As for respect, that's up to you. Your beliefs about other people's beliefs are just that, and nothing more. Follow what you believe and as long as it doesn't hurt anyone, I don't care.

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Do made-up joke-religions deserve the same respect as real, practiced religions? [View all] DetlefK Jun 2018 OP

The only difference is the age of the religion, right? ExciteBike66 Jun 2018 #1

Use your brain vlyons Jun 2018 #2

vylons, I lived in Japan for over 20 years. Buddhism in Japan is indeed a religion. Nitram Jun 2018 #28

No, Buddhism is not a religion vlyons Jun 2018 #29

I'm afraid your definition of religion is too narrow. I understand how you feel. But the fact is Nitram Jun 2018 #31

Religion and theism aren't necessarily mutually inclusive Major Nikon Jun 2018 #33

I agree. Jesus never used the term "Christianity. Buddha would be horrified to learn that there is Nitram Jun 2018 #38

You could probably say the same with Confucius and Confucianism Major Nikon Jun 2018 #40

I contend that Buddhism may be joking Bretton Garcia Jun 2018 #39

You don't know what you're talking about vlyons Jun 2018 #41

Having been born a Japanese citizen (as well as an American) ... Bretton Garcia Jun 2018 #42

and you studied Buddhism under what authentic teacher? vlyons Jun 2018 #43

No. You've, mentioned many varieties of Buddhism. Bretton Garcia Jun 2018 #45

Also Zen claims to be a "special transmission outside scripture" marylandblue Jun 2018 #70

Zen kind of updates traditional Buddhism Bretton Garcia Jun 2018 #72

Actually, what is commonly called "The Laughing Buddha" in the West is not the Buddha. Nitram Jun 2018 #44

Yes. Bretton Garcia Jun 2018 #46

The Buddha himself was probably an atheist, in my view. He taught a scientific approach to Nitram Jun 2018 #47

Possibly. So today, we could add to his words, without contradiction, the words of modern science. Bretton Garcia Jun 2018 #48

Do all -real-? practiced religions deserve respect? Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #3

" Humble" religions beg for your disrespect, explicitly. Bretton Garcia Jun 2018 #49

Many people who profess Christianity do not "practice" Christianity. rogerashton Jun 2018 #4

Yes and no TimeSnowDemos Jun 2018 #5

I shouldn't ridicule new earth creationists? Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #6

No more than TimeSnowDemos Jun 2018 #10

How about Nazis? Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #16

What about them? TimeSnowDemos Jun 2018 #20

Is it ok to disrespect their beliefs? Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #21

That depends TimeSnowDemos Jun 2018 #23

So where should understanding for Nazis end? Bretton Garcia Jun 2018 #55

Like I said TimeSnowDemos Jun 2018 #60

I agree that strong respect does not have to be accorded. Bretton Garcia Jun 2018 #61

To be more clear TimeSnowDemos Jun 2018 #64

Free Will debates have been around for a while Bretton Garcia Jun 2018 #65

language TimeSnowDemos Jun 2018 #66

Beliefs equal opinions? Bretton Garcia Jun 2018 #68

Yes of course TimeSnowDemos Jun 2018 #69

But scientific beliefs, laws per se, are better refulated Bretton Garcia Jun 2018 #71

Holy shit JackInGreen Jun 2018 #52

Its just belief. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #56

"It's all just belief" Act_of_Reparation Jun 2018 #17

Obviously TimeSnowDemos Jun 2018 #19

The point is belief shapes behavior. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2018 #24

That's not MY point TimeSnowDemos Jun 2018 #25

I don't see how you could see it as a stretch. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2018 #27

Well that is patently ridiculous. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #32

But how do you tell them apart??? DetlefK Jun 2018 #8

It's like art TimeSnowDemos Jun 2018 #9

Then let me ask you the ultimate question: DetlefK Jun 2018 #11

Short answer yes with an if... TimeSnowDemos Jun 2018 #12

Translation: You don't know and there is no way for you to find out. DetlefK Jun 2018 #14

Verifiable claims TimeSnowDemos Jun 2018 #15

Ok fine with that definition, although of course there is no Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #35

Respect TimeSnowDemos Jun 2018 #36

Sure. The question in the op asked about respect and religious beliefs. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #37

Aren't all religions made-up? nt Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2018 #7

Yes, but some have funnier stories Major Nikon Jun 2018 #34

I submit that the Bible is often joking. Bretton Garcia Jun 2018 #50

The bible is a work of fiction. nt Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2018 #59

Well, I give them all the same level of respect, for sure. MineralMan Jun 2018 #13

Yes. That is, little to none. Iggo Jun 2018 #18

Do you watch comedies the same way you watch dramas? marylandblue Jun 2018 #22

Sometimes. Was William Shatner serious or funny, in the first TV Star Trek? Bretton Garcia Jun 2018 #53

Could be, but if religion really were that sort of sophisticated art marylandblue Jun 2018 #58

Well, liberal Guil-like Christianity, religion, allows some riffing. Bretton Garcia Jun 2018 #62

Wait, is this a trick question? Ferrets are Cool Jun 2018 #26

Depends Thyla Jun 2018 #30

But Dudism laughs at itself too. Bretton Garcia Jun 2018 #51

All religions are made up. BlueTsunami2018 Jun 2018 #54

Tom Cruise says YES Sailor65x1 Jun 2018 #57

Ab so fucking lutley gibraltar72 Jun 2018 #63

I'd put the question the other way around and then answer in the negative. Pope George Ringo II Jun 2018 #67

Indeed. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #73