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Iggo

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54. It's why I never could work an honest program.

Sat Jun 9, 2018, 08:39 PM

Jun 2018

To me, "Fake It To Make It" is lying in recovery, and I just couldn't bring myself to do it. The only way I found to stay clean was to stay honest. No lying about my addiction or my recovery. And it worked.

(There is a sort of informal "half-stepping" that strips the god out of the steps. But that's just the steps. It ain't the program.)

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Show Me an Atheist Who Believes in a "Divine Presence" and [View all] MineralMan Jun 2018 OP

I'd be surprised if anybody could actually disagree with this. Croney Jun 2018 #1

There is someone in another thread who does disagree with this. MineralMan Jun 2018 #2

Oh. Well to turn it around, that's like saying Croney Jun 2018 #3

Yes, exactly. It is a contradiction in terms. MineralMan Jun 2018 #4

Well, there are in fact married bachelors marylandblue Jun 2018 #20

I knew a guy whose last name was Batchelor. MineralMan Jun 2018 #22

Not a bad song. Congratulations on your hit. marylandblue Jun 2018 #24

Not my song. MineralMan Jun 2018 #52

Not straightforward to me and my limited skill set marylandblue Jun 2018 #53

I would venture to say... quickesst Jun 2018 #5

I'm sure you are correct in that assessment. MineralMan Jun 2018 #6

I can dig it quickesst Jun 2018 #38

Ah, that one... Ron Obvious Jun 2018 #10

Oooh, I like that one. Iggo Jun 2018 #36

Same one has yet to explain how theism and deism can be inclusive Major Nikon Jun 2018 #23

Yup. MineralMan Jun 2018 #26

Thanks so much for the link to that thread rurallib Jun 2018 #25

Wasn't it Richard Dawson who said he tells his religious interlocutors that they're atheists, too-- tblue37 Jun 2018 #29

don't know about that one, but there are some darn good quotes rurallib Jun 2018 #30

I am an athiest LSFL Jun 2018 #7

LOL! MineralMan Jun 2018 #8

indeed! LSFL Jun 2018 #11

Side note Lordquinton Jun 2018 #15

I think the poster in question was referring to this poll marylandblue Jun 2018 #9

Anonymous people in a poll are not evidence. MineralMan Jun 2018 #12

I understand, but this was the best I could do marylandblue Jun 2018 #18

That someone would claim that atheists believe in a higher power is absurd LSFL Jun 2018 #19

Absurd. Yes. A good word for it, indeed. MineralMan Jun 2018 #21

I agree LSFL Jun 2018 #13

I seem to encounter that type in AA frequently. Ron Obvious Jun 2018 #14

I have run into those also marylandblue Jun 2018 #16

It's why I never could work an honest program. Iggo Jun 2018 #54

Same here. Ron Obvious Jun 2018 #57

What's the margin of error? Lordquinton Jun 2018 #17

Probably something like that marylandblue Jun 2018 #27

Honestly it's kinda like a control question Lordquinton Jun 2018 #43

maybe they are agnostic but really really really wanna be atheist... samnsara Jun 2018 #28

Was Stephen Hawkings an atheist? saidsimplesimon Jun 2018 #31

While I understand that this is your personal opinion and belief, guillaumeb Jun 2018 #32

The poll is suspect an inaccurate at the level it is trying to measure marylandblue Jun 2018 #39

So all such polls are inaccurate? guillaumeb Jun 2018 #40

See my post 9 marylandblue Jun 2018 #41

My same response applies. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #42

If a poll's methodology is suspect marylandblue Jun 2018 #45

Please post the percentage of atheists in that poll Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #48

I did not conduct the poll, nor did I compile the results. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #49

Universal Spirit could be just about anything marylandblue Jun 2018 #50

A universal spirit can be just about anything except a god, it seems. Mariana Jun 2018 #58

That might make sense from a logic perspective marylandblue Jun 2018 #60

Some Native American religions are non-theistic Major Nikon Jun 2018 #66

But you made a rather specific claim of Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #51

No, I posted a link to a Pew poll. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #55

No you claimed "Some atheists believe in a divine presence" marylandblue Jun 2018 #61

You need to go read your source again Major Nikon Jun 2018 #67

I get you have no use for literacy, but regardless the dictionary is pretty clear on the subject Major Nikon Jun 2018 #65

I can't think of any atheists JNelson6563 Jun 2018 #33

And? guillaumeb Jun 2018 #35

Um, I thought it was pertinent to the subject under discussion. JNelson6563 Jun 2018 #44

How demonstrative of your approach to dialogue. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #46

There are some. Not many, I would think. Mariana Jun 2018 #59

Well, there are "teen spirit," "school spirit," MineralMan Jun 2018 #70

Allow me: guillaumeb Jun 2018 #34

You evidently have never been touched by the magnificent. . . Stargleamer Jun 2018 #37

There exists a small subset of atheists who Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #47

40 out of 80. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #56

Irrelevant, as always. MineralMan Jun 2018 #62

Wow. That is stalkerish. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #63

It is a habit with that person to count the number of OPs written by me MineralMan Jun 2018 #64

You seem confused about what constitutes stalking. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #71

One hopes that you will be enlightened Major Nikon Jun 2018 #72

I was being generous. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #74

But, I'm not feeling threatened, embarrassed or harassed. MineralMan Jun 2018 #75

You also apparently have no idea. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #78

Sure, neither does wiki Major Nikon Jun 2018 #80

Stalkers often are too stupid to know they are stalking Major Nikon Jun 2018 #73

In most places, this sort of statement would be right there with "water is wet." Pope George Ringo II Jun 2018 #68

Yes. It shouldn't be needed, but is. MineralMan Jun 2018 #69

Some atheists believe in a spiritual realm Zambero Jun 2018 #76

Hmm...I've not met any such atheists. MineralMan Jun 2018 #77

Much has been written about this, but few are aware of it Zambero Jun 2018 #79