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Act_of_Reparation

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100. The answer is obvious. The reactions were predictable.

Tue Jun 12, 2018, 11:38 AM

Jun 2018

Christianity is a religion, not game, and certainly not a Platonic ideal. It's largely about belief, and as we all know perfectly well (yet for some reason some refuse to admit) orthodoxy does not necessarily entail orthopraxy. You can believe lying is wrong and still lie. You can believe murder is wrong and still kill. You can believe hate is wrong and still hate, particularly if you've convinced yourself your hate isn't really hate at all, because the Bible explicitly condemns the people you don't like.

The only reason we're discussing this at all is because when we talk about Christianity's cumulative effect on society, the knee-jerk reaction from liberal Christians is to, by way of a ridiculous and impossible standard, deny the bad Christians were ever really Christians in the first place. It's the religious equivalent of "guns don't kill people".

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] MineralMan Jun 2018 OP

This one tries hard not to hate. redwitch Jun 2018 #1

" So on Sunday mornings before church I try not to watch the news or think....." etc pangaia Jun 2018 #27

I watch the news. And try to do what I can to stop the pain. redwitch Jun 2018 #36

+++++++ pangaia Jun 2018 #37

In my lifetime christianity has just become another word for hatred. It's disgusting, RKP5637 Jun 2018 #2

Only some Christians hate; not all, by any means. MineralMan Jun 2018 #3

Yep, it's probably a broad brush I'm using. n/t RKP5637 Jun 2018 #5

I would say that 99.9999999% of people who call themselves Christians pangaia Jun 2018 #30

So you are not aware that Christians help out with food banks, ollie10 Jun 2018 #60

Please see #5. n/t RKP5637 Jun 2018 #61

They have done those things - in the past Runningdawg Jun 2018 #86

I don't know what planet you live on but on planet Earth they still help the homeless ollie10 Jun 2018 #88

Been on both sides of the food shelter Runningdawg Jun 2018 #93

I have been to the food banks Tribalceltic Jun 2018 #102

So you don't like it that there are food banks? ollie10 Jun 2018 #103

Not ones run by Evil people Tribalceltic Jun 2018 #104

so it is evil to give a starving person food? ollie10 Jun 2018 #105

I consider it Evil. Tribalceltic Jun 2018 #107

What do you mean force them? ollie10 Jun 2018 #108

Some Christians do those things. That's good. MineralMan Jun 2018 #111

I answered your question a long time ago ollie10 Jun 2018 #114

I read very few of your posts, ollie10. MineralMan Jun 2018 #116

This message was self-deleted by its author ollie10 Jun 2018 #119

I am not going to apologize for expression my opinions on an opinion board ollie10 Jun 2018 #120

I didn't ask for an apology. MineralMan Jun 2018 #121

If you don't read my posts, please quit whining about them ollie10 Jun 2018 #122

Oh, dear. I think I'll read what I want and write what I want. MineralMan Jun 2018 #123

I will too ollie10 Jun 2018 #124

No Comatose Sphagetti Jun 2018 #4

A lot more of what I see is a prideful attitude of superiority The Genealogist Jun 2018 #6

I agree but it's not as much hate JoeOtterbein Jun 2018 #32

I agree The Genealogist Jun 2018 #35

" I think there are a lot of Christians that are full of hate for everyone not just like them." pangaia Jun 2018 #38

I don't know The Genealogist Jun 2018 #40

Hummm.. I tend to take people by how they behave, what they do... pangaia Jun 2018 #41

Yes. Mariana Jun 2018 #90

painting with a wide brush again, I see ollie10 Jun 2018 #91

Please, tell me which denominations teach Mariana Jun 2018 #92

It is not really an either-or thing ollie10 Jun 2018 #94

The largest Christian denomination believes that. Mariana Jun 2018 #95

I guess you weren't interested in a discussion of faith alone vs works, huh? ollie10 Jun 2018 #96

I've never been Catholic. Mariana Jun 2018 #117

helpful hint: it's not a "formula" ollie10 Jun 2018 #125

OK, what is it? Mariana Jun 2018 #127

to call it a formula is to trivialize it, for one ollie10 Jun 2018 #130

Look, Ollie, I really would like to have a serious conversation. Mariana Jun 2018 #132

Not upset at all! ollie10 Jun 2018 #133

Did 12 years catholic school kimbutgar Jun 2018 #7

I did 11 years until I got kicked out for skipping classes. JoeOtterbein Jun 2018 #33

So long as god hates all the same people they do, it's all good Major Nikon Jun 2018 #8

Absolutely.... LakeArenal Jun 2018 #9

The triumph of christianity from 300-600 was full of christian hate Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #10

Bart Ehrman's latest book? Bretton Garcia Jun 2018 #15

The view from inside is not the same as the view from outside. Igel Jun 2018 #11

Too much forgiveness for Christian sins.. Bretton Garcia Jun 2018 #16

Not to my mind, but there is no final arbiter of who is Christian or not. kwassa Jun 2018 #12

They're no less Christian than Christians who don't believe in hell. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2018 #13

Yes. Iggo Jun 2018 #14

Can one be human and hate? guillaumeb Jun 2018 #17

Hatred is exclusively a human emotion. MineralMan Jun 2018 #18

It was an argument disguised as a question. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #19

Haters are pretenders, using JC to control wives and kids. Crutchez_CuiBono Jun 2018 #26

I'm not sure about that. I've known dogs who really seem to hate mean people. JoeOtterbein Jun 2018 #34

So what's the obvious answer? Lordquinton Jun 2018 #20

Given how obvious it is, guillaumeb Jun 2018 #21

So... what is it? Lordquinton Jun 2018 #22

It is far too obvious to bother saying. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #23

This is so typical of you Lordquinton Jun 2018 #24

It was obvious to me that you would answer in this way. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #25

Ok, obviously you mean "No, they can't" Lordquinton Jun 2018 #29

#Whataboutism n/t trotsky Jun 2018 #49

Nosubstantivecounterresponseism. eom guillaumeb Jun 2018 #129

Provide some substance, you'll get a counter response. trotsky Jun 2018 #131

I say I am a Christian therefore I am self-righteous and better than everyone else. Doodley Jun 2018 #28

a lot of people are self-righteous ollie10 Jun 2018 #106

This is a very interesting question to me. blur256 Jun 2018 #31

Can they not? gibraltar72 Jun 2018 #39

Well, what the the New Testament says: TomSlick Jun 2018 #42

That depends. madamesilverspurs Jun 2018 #43

It seems these days that it is almost a requirement. smirkymonkey Jun 2018 #44

And what was that joke about fundamentalist muslims and christians? Pope George Ringo II Jun 2018 #46

It is certainly possible to be an atheist and hate christians! ollie10 Jun 2018 #45

And the inverse? Lordquinton Jun 2018 #47

What do you think? ollie10 Jun 2018 #48

Yes this is the thread asking it Lordquinton Jun 2018 #50

So you finally figured this out! ollie10 Jun 2018 #52

So are you going to answer the question Lordquinton Jun 2018 #54

i might consider it if you answered the question I asked you! ollie10 Jun 2018 #56

You seem confused Lordquinton Jun 2018 #57

Why are you singling me out, when you won't answer my question? ollie10 Jun 2018 #58

Generally questions are signified in writing through the use of a question mark. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #62

"what do you think?" is a question..... ollie10 Jun 2018 #65

yes but in discussion demanding an answer to your question when you haven't answered Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #67

did you even read the post you responded to? ollie10 Jun 2018 #69

Still don't quite understand. Is it ok to act externally as if you are entirely motivated by hate Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #70

No. Read. ollie10 Jun 2018 #71

So again what do we make of the long history Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #72

Read ollie10 Jun 2018 #73

As usual. No answers only evasion Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #74

How about you live your life and let others live theirs? ollie10 Jun 2018 #75

How about blueberries in August? Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #77

This message was self-deleted by its author ollie10 Jun 2018 #82

How about YOU answer the OP's question? ollie10 Jun 2018 #83

So you are against blueberries in August. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #84

More evasiveness ollie10 Jun 2018 #89

I thought we were having a non sequitur contest. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #97

big word! ollie10 Jun 2018 #98

I agree, we should judge Christians by how they act. Mariana Jun 2018 #87

and likewise we should judge atheists by how they act ollie10 Jun 2018 #99

Atheists do judge people on actions. Many Christians, however, avoid judging MineralMan Jun 2018 #109

This message was self-deleted by its author ollie10 Jun 2018 #110

And many atheists avoid judging other atheists, regardless of their actions. ollie10 Jun 2018 #112

Actually, I don't think that's true at all. MineralMan Jun 2018 #113

wasn't talking about you personally ollie10 Jun 2018 #115

And I was speaking personally, as I most often do. MineralMan Jun 2018 #118

naw, hadn't you heard Christians only hate the sin, not the sinner (wink, wink) Thomas Hurt Jun 2018 #51

No, Jesus said "love one another as you would love yourself" kimbutgar Jun 2018 #53

Not if they hate themselves. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #63

Ouch kimbutgar Jun 2018 #66

still might hate themselves even while claiming otherwise. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #68

I think you could ask the same of most religions. dameatball Jun 2018 #55

I thought it was required... NeoGreen Jun 2018 #59

In that verse you need the metaphor decoder ring. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #64

They are self proclaimed Christian liberal N proud Jun 2018 #76

IMO, there are two kinds of Christians. no_hypocrisy Jun 2018 #78

No Raven123 Jun 2018 #79

I think there are multiple explanations for those who hate and proclaim themselves to be Christian Raven123 Jun 2018 #80

Oops, that's "lost in translation" Raven123 Jun 2018 #81

Regarding your point #1... trotsky Jun 2018 #85

The answer is obvious. The reactions were predictable. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2018 #100

Many of Jesus' words encourage love, many also encourage hate. malchickiwick Jun 2018 #101

Added a rec, saidsimplesimon Jun 2018 #126

"Hate the sin, not the sinner" That's their BS rationale. bitterross Jun 2018 #128

This message was self-deleted by its author MineralMan Jun 2018 #134

I am self-deleting the original post that started this thread. MineralMan Jun 2018 #135