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marylandblue

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5. I think you are making a multilevel error

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 06:48 PM

Jun 2018

You confusing beliefs (like theism) with belief systems (a set of beliefs, like Christianity) with emotions (like patriotism) with the basis of a belief system (like the Bible or science). These are related things, but they are not the same at all, each one having different functions in an individual's psyche.

That's a lot of things to mix up at once, so it makes it difficult to respond further.

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Theism, and other belief systems. [View all] guillaumeb Jun 2018 OP

Another type of belief system is patriotism. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #1

Patriotism does not require that you believe myths about your country marylandblue Jun 2018 #6

But many do believe such myths. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #12

then that is not a belief system called "patriotism" marylandblue Jun 2018 #13

Define patriotism with no associated content. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #15

you just defined patriot as love of country marylandblue Jun 2018 #21

I am a theist. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #54

No, that's why theism, is a belief, not a belief system. marylandblue Jun 2018 #63

Theism is an unprovable belief in the existence of a deity/deities. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #69

You provide a definition of belief system marylandblue Jun 2018 #71

Theism is a type of belief system. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #72

So individual religions are belief systems marylandblue Jun 2018 #74

Perhaps atheism isn't what theists want it to be, just another way to believe. longship Jun 2018 #2

So you disagree with the linked definition? guillaumeb Jun 2018 #3

"Your right."??? longship Jun 2018 #7

You were within your rights to disagree.... guillaumeb Jun 2018 #9

It's always theists who try to speak for non-theists longship Jun 2018 #77

It is odd that people need to persuade others of their faith Cary Jun 2018 #4

Aww, Longship. I was under the impression we was sorta buds. 🤔 sprinkleeninow Jun 2018 #82

Aww! You ARE my bud. longship Jun 2018 #84

😍 sprinkleeninow Jun 2018 #93

I think you are making a multilevel error marylandblue Jun 2018 #5

I am characterizing what constitutes a belief system, guillaumeb Jun 2018 #10

Belief system: Eko Jun 2018 #16

There are multiple definitions. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #18

So prove yours. Eko Jun 2018 #20

If I am reading correctly, that person called atheism a belief marylandblue Jun 2018 #23

Separate the part from the whole. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #24

Separate the part from the whole, then you have just a vein marylandblue Jun 2018 #25

And if it is an aspect of the poster's belief system, guillaumeb Jun 2018 #35

A part is equal to the whole? How does that happen? marylandblue Jun 2018 #64

... Act_of_Reparation Jun 2018 #97

My system is is most like the safeinOhio Jun 2018 #8

Given that all of our interactions are with fellow humans, guillaumeb Jun 2018 #11

Exactly how does one Eko Jun 2018 #14

As the linked poster opined: guillaumeb Jun 2018 #17

What? Eko Jun 2018 #19

The poster arrived at an unprovable conclusion. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #22

Actually, the poster just defined atheism marylandblue Jun 2018 #26

The poster proved nothing. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #36

The poster developed a logical syllogism marylandblue Jun 2018 #67

The poster defined atheism, guillaumeb Jun 2018 #70

You either need a course in logic or have to come up with a better definition of atheism marylandblue Jun 2018 #73

And what of the post that defined atheism guillaumeb Jun 2018 #112

That's part of that definition, do you have another? marylandblue Jun 2018 #114

So atheism is a belief. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #115

My focus here is on the definition and its logical consequences. marylandblue Jun 2018 #116

My focus is on the tactics, guillaumeb Jun 2018 #117

I am not interested in tactics marylandblue Jun 2018 #118

But such tactics, guillaumeb Jun 2018 #119

Yeah so? welcome to the world. marylandblue Jun 2018 #120

Welcome to dialogue? guillaumeb Jun 2018 #121

You are too concerned with how other people respond marylandblue Jun 2018 #122

Poor poor persecuted Gil. Mariana Jun 2018 #123

Poor Mariana. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #124

No its not. Eko Jun 2018 #27

Sigh. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2018 #31

Sure, and evolution is only a theory, just like creationism Major Nikon Jun 2018 #33

About what I expected from you. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #37

I expected you to pose an unsupportable assertion, then claim everyone else is confused Major Nikon Jun 2018 #40

There is another frequent poster who specializes in that. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #41

I'm certain I don't Major Nikon Jun 2018 #46

I have faith in your ability. eom guillaumeb Jun 2018 #47

Why are you skipping over this part? Eko Jun 2018 #29

And what of the entire quote? guillaumeb Jun 2018 #39

I believe you never proved that to begin with Major Nikon Jun 2018 #42

There are two parts to this. Eko Jun 2018 #59

It is framed as 2 things. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #65

"Atheism is the disbelief in deities" is unprovable? Eko Jun 2018 #101

Hello? Eko Jun 2018 #109

Ah...that poster only responds when it suits him. MineralMan Jun 2018 #110

An ironic response. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #113

I believe I'll have another beer Major Nikon Jun 2018 #28

Ill have another also, Eko Jun 2018 #30

Sweet Jesus! Major Nikon Jun 2018 #32

A leap of logic worthy of an Olympic long jumper. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #38

That's rich Major Nikon Jun 2018 #44

How did you arrive at that beer? marylandblue Jun 2018 #34

Earth and other Solar Systems. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #43

One of your better ones. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #45

Queen Elizabeth and other Political Systems. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #48

You outdid yourself. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #50

The Federal Reserve and other Economic Systems. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #49

First, second, and third place. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #51

Bart Simpson and other method actors Major Nikon Jun 2018 #52

An improvement. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #53

A decline Major Nikon Jun 2018 #55

Rotate the chart 180 degrees. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #56

Even your fan club has to be getting bored by now Major Nikon Jun 2018 #57

Elevate your level of dialogue. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #58

Canned responses are what happens Major Nikon Jun 2018 #61

"Elevate your level of dialogue." trotsky Jun 2018 #87

I'm always delighted by Guillaume's wit and savvy responses. sprinkleeninow Jun 2018 #60

I am not certain of the "wit" portion. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #66

You give him too much credit. marylandblue Jun 2018 #75

Well, I don't 'believe' so. 😤 sprinkleeninow Jun 2018 #76

lol marylandblue Jun 2018 #78

Hello there! sprinkleeninow Jun 2018 #80

awww marylandblue Jun 2018 #85

That's why I insist on cash... MineralMan Jun 2018 #111

You claim to want dialogue Lordquinton Jun 2018 #62

You do realize how applicable your comment is to the choir, guillaumeb Jun 2018 #68

I do realize how applicable it is: not at all Lordquinton Jun 2018 #79

📣 Fair Ladies and Dudes: The "Choir" v. "The Fan Club" and sprinkleeninow Jun 2018 #83

"Many have given up trying to have dialogue" Act_of_Reparation Jun 2018 #89

Oh I'll still try. trotsky Jun 2018 #91

I do too Lordquinton Jun 2018 #104

Yep. Lordquinton Jun 2018 #103

The forum does not predate the newest theist participant. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2018 #105

Whazzat to be 'incense'? We perfume our church services with it. Mmmm. sprinkleeninow Jun 2018 #81

"Incense" is also a verb. nt. Mariana Jun 2018 #88

Indeed. I thought everyone knew that. MineralMan Jun 2018 #90

Well, I know that. Inscencsed. sprinkleeninow Jun 2018 #94

I took advantage of that word used above thread in a seemingly sprinkleeninow Jun 2018 #95

Theism isn't a belief system. trotsky Jun 2018 #86

Who is the most recent one? Major Nikon Jun 2018 #92

The most recent DUer I've seen who was shown the door was MineralMan Jun 2018 #96

Is 5 the magic number? marylandblue Jun 2018 #98

Yes, apparently. That's been it for some time. MineralMan Jun 2018 #99

That one reminds me of another DUer who now resides on the Island of Misfit Toys Major Nikon Jun 2018 #100

Funny how it happens that way. nt. Mariana Jun 2018 #102

This one: trotsky Jun 2018 #106

The magic carpet Major Nikon Jun 2018 #107

Some beliefs seem better--founded than others. Bretton Garcia Jun 2018 #108