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guillaumeb

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17. As the linked poster opined:

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 07:28 PM

Jun 2018

So, there it is. Belief in the "divine" is a belief in the existence of deities. Atheism is the disbelief in deities or the certain belief that no deities exist. The two things are incompatible, by definition.

So according to this opinion, atheism is a certain belief that no deities exist. Thus the atheist, at least as defined by this person, sees as truth that there are no deities.

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Theism, and other belief systems. [View all] guillaumeb Jun 2018 OP

Another type of belief system is patriotism. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #1

Patriotism does not require that you believe myths about your country marylandblue Jun 2018 #6

But many do believe such myths. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #12

then that is not a belief system called "patriotism" marylandblue Jun 2018 #13

Define patriotism with no associated content. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #15

you just defined patriot as love of country marylandblue Jun 2018 #21

I am a theist. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #54

No, that's why theism, is a belief, not a belief system. marylandblue Jun 2018 #63

Theism is an unprovable belief in the existence of a deity/deities. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #69

You provide a definition of belief system marylandblue Jun 2018 #71

Theism is a type of belief system. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #72

So individual religions are belief systems marylandblue Jun 2018 #74

Perhaps atheism isn't what theists want it to be, just another way to believe. longship Jun 2018 #2

So you disagree with the linked definition? guillaumeb Jun 2018 #3

"Your right."??? longship Jun 2018 #7

You were within your rights to disagree.... guillaumeb Jun 2018 #9

It's always theists who try to speak for non-theists longship Jun 2018 #77

It is odd that people need to persuade others of their faith Cary Jun 2018 #4

Aww, Longship. I was under the impression we was sorta buds. 🤔 sprinkleeninow Jun 2018 #82

Aww! You ARE my bud. longship Jun 2018 #84

😍 sprinkleeninow Jun 2018 #93

I think you are making a multilevel error marylandblue Jun 2018 #5

I am characterizing what constitutes a belief system, guillaumeb Jun 2018 #10

Belief system: Eko Jun 2018 #16

There are multiple definitions. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #18

So prove yours. Eko Jun 2018 #20

If I am reading correctly, that person called atheism a belief marylandblue Jun 2018 #23

Separate the part from the whole. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #24

Separate the part from the whole, then you have just a vein marylandblue Jun 2018 #25

And if it is an aspect of the poster's belief system, guillaumeb Jun 2018 #35

A part is equal to the whole? How does that happen? marylandblue Jun 2018 #64

... Act_of_Reparation Jun 2018 #97

My system is is most like the safeinOhio Jun 2018 #8

Given that all of our interactions are with fellow humans, guillaumeb Jun 2018 #11

Exactly how does one Eko Jun 2018 #14

As the linked poster opined: guillaumeb Jun 2018 #17

What? Eko Jun 2018 #19

The poster arrived at an unprovable conclusion. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #22

Actually, the poster just defined atheism marylandblue Jun 2018 #26

The poster proved nothing. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #36

The poster developed a logical syllogism marylandblue Jun 2018 #67

The poster defined atheism, guillaumeb Jun 2018 #70

You either need a course in logic or have to come up with a better definition of atheism marylandblue Jun 2018 #73

And what of the post that defined atheism guillaumeb Jun 2018 #112

That's part of that definition, do you have another? marylandblue Jun 2018 #114

So atheism is a belief. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #115

My focus here is on the definition and its logical consequences. marylandblue Jun 2018 #116

My focus is on the tactics, guillaumeb Jun 2018 #117

I am not interested in tactics marylandblue Jun 2018 #118

But such tactics, guillaumeb Jun 2018 #119

Yeah so? welcome to the world. marylandblue Jun 2018 #120

Welcome to dialogue? guillaumeb Jun 2018 #121

You are too concerned with how other people respond marylandblue Jun 2018 #122

Poor poor persecuted Gil. Mariana Jun 2018 #123

Poor Mariana. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #124

No its not. Eko Jun 2018 #27

Sigh. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2018 #31

Sure, and evolution is only a theory, just like creationism Major Nikon Jun 2018 #33

About what I expected from you. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #37

I expected you to pose an unsupportable assertion, then claim everyone else is confused Major Nikon Jun 2018 #40

There is another frequent poster who specializes in that. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #41

I'm certain I don't Major Nikon Jun 2018 #46

I have faith in your ability. eom guillaumeb Jun 2018 #47

Why are you skipping over this part? Eko Jun 2018 #29

And what of the entire quote? guillaumeb Jun 2018 #39

I believe you never proved that to begin with Major Nikon Jun 2018 #42

There are two parts to this. Eko Jun 2018 #59

It is framed as 2 things. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #65

"Atheism is the disbelief in deities" is unprovable? Eko Jun 2018 #101

Hello? Eko Jun 2018 #109

Ah...that poster only responds when it suits him. MineralMan Jun 2018 #110

An ironic response. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #113

I believe I'll have another beer Major Nikon Jun 2018 #28

Ill have another also, Eko Jun 2018 #30

Sweet Jesus! Major Nikon Jun 2018 #32

A leap of logic worthy of an Olympic long jumper. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #38

That's rich Major Nikon Jun 2018 #44

How did you arrive at that beer? marylandblue Jun 2018 #34

Earth and other Solar Systems. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #43

One of your better ones. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #45

Queen Elizabeth and other Political Systems. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #48

You outdid yourself. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #50

The Federal Reserve and other Economic Systems. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #49

First, second, and third place. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #51

Bart Simpson and other method actors Major Nikon Jun 2018 #52

An improvement. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #53

A decline Major Nikon Jun 2018 #55

Rotate the chart 180 degrees. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #56

Even your fan club has to be getting bored by now Major Nikon Jun 2018 #57

Elevate your level of dialogue. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #58

Canned responses are what happens Major Nikon Jun 2018 #61

"Elevate your level of dialogue." trotsky Jun 2018 #87

I'm always delighted by Guillaume's wit and savvy responses. sprinkleeninow Jun 2018 #60

I am not certain of the "wit" portion. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #66

You give him too much credit. marylandblue Jun 2018 #75

Well, I don't 'believe' so. 😤 sprinkleeninow Jun 2018 #76

lol marylandblue Jun 2018 #78

Hello there! sprinkleeninow Jun 2018 #80

awww marylandblue Jun 2018 #85

That's why I insist on cash... MineralMan Jun 2018 #111

You claim to want dialogue Lordquinton Jun 2018 #62

You do realize how applicable your comment is to the choir, guillaumeb Jun 2018 #68

I do realize how applicable it is: not at all Lordquinton Jun 2018 #79

📣 Fair Ladies and Dudes: The "Choir" v. "The Fan Club" and sprinkleeninow Jun 2018 #83

"Many have given up trying to have dialogue" Act_of_Reparation Jun 2018 #89

Oh I'll still try. trotsky Jun 2018 #91

I do too Lordquinton Jun 2018 #104

Yep. Lordquinton Jun 2018 #103

The forum does not predate the newest theist participant. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2018 #105

Whazzat to be 'incense'? We perfume our church services with it. Mmmm. sprinkleeninow Jun 2018 #81

"Incense" is also a verb. nt. Mariana Jun 2018 #88

Indeed. I thought everyone knew that. MineralMan Jun 2018 #90

Well, I know that. Inscencsed. sprinkleeninow Jun 2018 #94

I took advantage of that word used above thread in a seemingly sprinkleeninow Jun 2018 #95

Theism isn't a belief system. trotsky Jun 2018 #86

Who is the most recent one? Major Nikon Jun 2018 #92

The most recent DUer I've seen who was shown the door was MineralMan Jun 2018 #96

Is 5 the magic number? marylandblue Jun 2018 #98

Yes, apparently. That's been it for some time. MineralMan Jun 2018 #99

That one reminds me of another DUer who now resides on the Island of Misfit Toys Major Nikon Jun 2018 #100

Funny how it happens that way. nt. Mariana Jun 2018 #102

This one: trotsky Jun 2018 #106

The magic carpet Major Nikon Jun 2018 #107

Some beliefs seem better--founded than others. Bretton Garcia Jun 2018 #108