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Lordquinton

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38. Yea, deflection

Sun Jun 17, 2018, 05:11 PM

Jun 2018

You didn't address any of the points, just "Well, not all churches" when he was specifically addressing the ones that claim to be LGBTQIA friendly. You didn't show anything in the OP to be false, in fact you fall afoul of #2 in his list.

The more I think about it and reread the article, the more I think you didn't read past the headline. You didn't show anything to be false, and even reinforced several of his points. In fact in this thread your claim was proven false, as the Episcopal church nearly split over this issue. It didn't, which means the anti-inclusive branch is still a part of your church.

You don't dismiss my evidence, you dismiss me.

What, you mean what you are doing to the author? You didn't supply any new evidence that wasn't already covered, in fact it more undermines your own argument. I was pointing out an argumentative fallacy you were using. You didn't address any of his actual points, just the headline.

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7 Reasons Why LGBTQ+ People Don't Want to Go to Your LGBTQ+ Inclusive Church [View all] Heddi Jun 2018 OP

I attend a UU church but not for religion, rather for social justice n friends nt msongs Jun 2018 #1

Thank you for that friend blur256 Jun 2018 #3

The first gay minister to come out in this country safeinOhio Jun 2018 #8

I love the UUs. If I wasn't UCC I would be one. blur256 Jun 2018 #11

I participate with a UU congregation, too. 3catwoman3 Jun 2018 #5

So my wife is a UCC minister blur256 Jun 2018 #2

Great post. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #4

I would add this one: TygrBright Jun 2018 #6

More #4 Cartoonist Jun 2018 #7

There's always the "Metropolitan Community Churches (MCC)" left-of-center2012 Jun 2018 #9

Most, if not all of those reasons could apply to everyone Major Nikon Jun 2018 #10

Accurate. trotsky Jun 2018 #13

And then there is the patriarchy inherent in most religions. progressoid Jun 2018 #12

Look at what the largest Christian sect does. trotsky Jun 2018 #14

Most of the gay people I currently know are clergy. kwassa Jun 2018 #15

Most of the gay people you know are from among your immediate peers? Act_of_Reparation Jun 2018 #17

Fallacy of anecdotal evidence. trotsky Jun 2018 #18

Not to mention selection bias... Act_of_Reparation Jun 2018 #20

The author of this piece provides no evidence whatsoever. kwassa Jun 2018 #23

"...there are gays that are very, very comfortable in church." Mariana Jun 2018 #25

Of course he did. kwassa Jun 2018 #29

The article was about LGBTQ+ individuals who do not feel comfortable in church. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2018 #48

This is an opinion piece, not an article. kwassa Jun 2018 #49

If you're going to be pedantic, you should at least try to be right. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2018 #53

So what? They are welcome in our church kwassa Jun 2018 #55

This article tries to shed light on why they might not actually feel that way. Cuthbert Allgood Jun 2018 #56

Wasn't there a schism in 2010 over equality? Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #21

Some dioceses attempted to leave the church over gay marriage. kwassa Jun 2018 #22

So that would be Yes. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #24

no, because .... kwassa Jun 2018 #28

Your sect schisms over equality but you have Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #30

Thatthe immediate argumentis to discredit anything that challanges their view Lordquinton Jun 2018 #31

I have no problem with criticism of religion. kwassa Jun 2018 #33

That is a deflection though Lordquinton Jun 2018 #36

No deflection. kwassa Jun 2018 #37

Yea, deflection Lordquinton Jun 2018 #38

We are LGBTQ friendly, and he is wrong. kwassa Jun 2018 #40

kwassa, the article is specifically written for someone like you. trotsky Jun 2018 #42

no, trotsky. kwassa Jun 2018 #44

And yet, there will STILL be people who won't want to go to your church, no matter how much PR. trotsky Jun 2018 #47

How would you know? kwassa Jun 2018 #50

Doubling down with your "not all men" strategy - how bold! trotsky Jun 2018 #52

All religion is local. kwassa Jun 2018 #32

well that is nonsense Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #34

You don't even have an argument. kwassa Jun 2018 #35

You didn't claim to speak for all LGBTQIA people Lordquinton Jun 2018 #39

I have a good sense of the overall Episcopal church. kwassa Jun 2018 #41

Oh so I guess I misunderstood Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #43

No, they meant all human beings that walked into the church. kwassa Jun 2018 #45

Oh so you now speak for everyone who walks into Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #46

You don't do this very well. kwassa Jun 2018 #51

Your words: Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #57

Seven. Iggo Jun 2018 #16

Watch out....that's a dangerous word Heddi Jun 2018 #19

I can think of a few more KansasKali Jun 2018 #26

#3 Runningdawg Jun 2018 #27

Because LGBT had enough BS already AlexSFCA Jun 2018 #54