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Act_of_Reparation

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76. In summary:

Thu Jun 28, 2018, 02:07 PM

Jun 2018

1) So you're bullshitting.

2) So you're bullshitting.

3) Clarification: Everywhere you said the word "human" followed by either the word "condition" or the word "nature" or any of their derivatives.

4) Clarification: The question mark indicates an interrogative. You have previously stated your belief in free will, and previously stated you believe certain behaviors to be "human nature". These beliefs are incompatible. I am asking you to reconcile them, i.e. explain that they aren't contradictory, explain your views have changed, or explain that you've been miscommunicating for a very long time now.

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Caliph Donald Trump and The Rise of the Christian Taliban [View all] guillaumeb Jun 2018 OP

And you wonder why atheists have a negative view of religion? marylandblue Jun 2018 #1

But the overwhelming majority of theists do not, in fact, guillaumeb Jun 2018 #3

Historically, they often have marylandblue Jun 2018 #7

Intolerance of "the other" is the norm. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #8

Tribalism does not imply intolerance marylandblue Jun 2018 #11

They are exceptions. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #13

Good chance were not exceptions prior to the Neolithic marylandblue Jun 2018 #17

Bring back the Neo-neolithic Age? guillaumeb Jun 2018 #18

End war. It happened in some societies before, it can again. marylandblue Jun 2018 #21

Follow up question? guillaumeb Jun 2018 #23

The best we've done so far is promote rational egalitarian societies, marylandblue Jun 2018 #27

Even in rational egalitarian societies, guillaumeb Jun 2018 #38

Key words are "So Far" marylandblue Jun 2018 #40

No, it is and was not. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #42

Huh? Do you have some better idea for the future? marylandblue Jun 2018 #43

When you say "we", if you are speaking of all humans, guillaumeb Jun 2018 #45

If your tribe is all humanity, then you have nobody to fight with marylandblue Jun 2018 #48

Tribalism does not work in that way. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #50

Then you are not talking about tribalism at all marylandblue Jun 2018 #51

Tribalism pits the tribe against "the other". guillaumeb Jun 2018 #60

Tribalism or Nationalism does not do that for me. marylandblue Jun 2018 #63

It does it for most people. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #64

Says who? Act_of_Reparation Jun 2018 #65

Be more specific. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #69

You mean four questions. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2018 #72

1) My opinion, based on my reading of history. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #73

In summary: Act_of_Reparation Jun 2018 #76

In summary: guillaumeb Jun 2018 #78

Or not Act_of_Reparation Jun 2018 #80

#Whataboutism n/t trotsky Jun 2018 #34

"the overwhelming majority" trotsky Jun 2018 #33

Is this your good gods or your bad gods doing? Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #2

This is the doing of Donald Trump and the leaders guillaumeb Jun 2018 #4

So the bad stuff is just humans and the good stuff Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #5

The bad stuff that humans do is humans behaving like humans. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #6

Ah so your gods have nothing to do with it. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #9

Are humans basically horrible? guillaumeb Jun 2018 #10

I expect something that claims to be THE source of morality marylandblue Jun 2018 #12

But the actual actors are humans. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #15

Then how do you decide what's horrible? marylandblue Jun 2018 #19

I use "do unto others" as a baseline. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #20

One way is not to allow your religion to be misused. marylandblue Jun 2018 #22

It is the desired outcome, and we theists should try, guillaumeb Jun 2018 #24

One way is to speak for your religion marylandblue Jun 2018 #28

Gil believes there are more important things he needs to do. trotsky Jun 2018 #35

I can only speak for my religion. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #39

This is the first I have heard you say you can speak for a religion, not just yourself. marylandblue Jun 2018 #44

I said "my religion", guillaumeb Jun 2018 #46

Then like I said, it puts you at a disadvantage marylandblue Jun 2018 #47

I agree, and the loudest voices get the most attention. eom guillaumeb Jun 2018 #49

Gil's particular flavor of Christianity is rather unique, from what he has told us here. Mariana Jun 2018 #52

Guillaumebism it is then. marylandblue Jun 2018 #54

If religion can't even help it's own adherents overcome their basal nature... Act_of_Reparation Jun 2018 #30

This thread featured The Big Ass Shovel. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #31

The DU Superdeep Borehole Act_of_Reparation Jun 2018 #32

I'm sure a well-constructed, reasoned argument will be coming your way soon. trotsky Jun 2018 #36

Allow me to refrmae your question: guillaumeb Jun 2018 #41

We need a system of government. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #56

We need a system of government where money has no voice. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #62

You are making the perfect the enemy of the good marylandblue Jun 2018 #66

No, I am posing a proposition. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #70

Citizen United did not create the Christian Taliban marylandblue Jun 2018 #74

Christian intolerance has always existed in the US. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #75

Thanks for making my point stronger. marylandblue Jun 2018 #81

Simply history. eom guillaumeb Jun 2018 #82

Goes back to my post #1, we have come full circle marylandblue Jun 2018 #83

Time to go around the track again? eom guillaumeb Jun 2018 #90

I'd rather not, perhaps you can come up with a better answer? marylandblue Jun 2018 #94

Christian intolerance is a fact. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #95

Christians fueled movements to undo the wrongs Christians created in the first place marylandblue Jun 2018 #98

The problem is human intolerance. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #99

You skip right over the most interesting things, and take them as given marylandblue Jun 2018 #100

I did not claim that every human is equally intolerant, guillaumeb Jun 2018 #103

Woooshhh! marylandblue Jun 2018 #108

I'm missing what that has to do with religion. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #67

#Whataboutism n/t trotsky Jun 2018 #57

We've been over this. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2018 #58

Religion, a human construct, can be used Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #14

Deities do not fight on earth. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #16

Yes fine. Now about religion.... Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #25

Yes, this is about religion. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #26

And yet you keep eliminating religion. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #29

It's a mystery why he even bothers to post in the Religion group. trotsky Jun 2018 #37

That was weirdly Islamophobic Lordquinton Jun 2018 #53

It's ok to shit on Islam. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #55

They do. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2018 #59

Amir is more like a general, governor or a prince marylandblue Jun 2018 #84

Yeah I didn't think the Taliban had caliphs. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #86

Amir al-Mu'minin translates to "Commander of the Faithful" Act_of_Reparation Jun 2018 #87

Different words, different meanings marylandblue Jun 2018 #88

Perhaps. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2018 #89

The title was deliberately provocative. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #61

So it is ok to shit on somebody else's religion Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #68

Read the second sentence of my reply. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #71

If Christians are really awful they become Muslims. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #85

Justify that interpretation, guillaumeb Jun 2018 #91

It is the headline of the op you posted. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #92

Your words: guillaumeb Jun 2018 #93

I agree you just completely diverted away Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #96

If you understood, guillaumeb Jun 2018 #97

So I'm an idiot and a headline that clearly Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #102

Refer back to my previous post. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #104

Consider why you didn't see that your Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #105

Consider why you are determined to find it so. eom guillaumeb Jun 2018 #106

It echoes the title Lordquinton Jun 2018 #101

We disagree. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #107

"American Fascists" by Chris Hedges CrispyQ Jun 2018 #77

I have never read it. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #79