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87. Amir al-Mu'minin translates to "Commander of the Faithful"

Fri Jun 29, 2018, 07:49 AM

Jun 2018

You could argue that the Taliban never claimed religious authority over Muslims outside its territory, but since no Caliph has ever actually had authority over people outside their territory, I would argue this is a distinction without a difference. The Caliph is an absolute spiritual and political ruler. The Amir al-Mu'minin is an absolute spiritual and political ruler.

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Caliph Donald Trump and The Rise of the Christian Taliban [View all] guillaumeb Jun 2018 OP

And you wonder why atheists have a negative view of religion? marylandblue Jun 2018 #1

But the overwhelming majority of theists do not, in fact, guillaumeb Jun 2018 #3

Historically, they often have marylandblue Jun 2018 #7

Intolerance of "the other" is the norm. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #8

Tribalism does not imply intolerance marylandblue Jun 2018 #11

They are exceptions. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #13

Good chance were not exceptions prior to the Neolithic marylandblue Jun 2018 #17

Bring back the Neo-neolithic Age? guillaumeb Jun 2018 #18

End war. It happened in some societies before, it can again. marylandblue Jun 2018 #21

Follow up question? guillaumeb Jun 2018 #23

The best we've done so far is promote rational egalitarian societies, marylandblue Jun 2018 #27

Even in rational egalitarian societies, guillaumeb Jun 2018 #38

Key words are "So Far" marylandblue Jun 2018 #40

No, it is and was not. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #42

Huh? Do you have some better idea for the future? marylandblue Jun 2018 #43

When you say "we", if you are speaking of all humans, guillaumeb Jun 2018 #45

If your tribe is all humanity, then you have nobody to fight with marylandblue Jun 2018 #48

Tribalism does not work in that way. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #50

Then you are not talking about tribalism at all marylandblue Jun 2018 #51

Tribalism pits the tribe against "the other". guillaumeb Jun 2018 #60

Tribalism or Nationalism does not do that for me. marylandblue Jun 2018 #63

It does it for most people. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #64

Says who? Act_of_Reparation Jun 2018 #65

Be more specific. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #69

You mean four questions. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2018 #72

1) My opinion, based on my reading of history. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #73

In summary: Act_of_Reparation Jun 2018 #76

In summary: guillaumeb Jun 2018 #78

Or not Act_of_Reparation Jun 2018 #80

#Whataboutism n/t trotsky Jun 2018 #34

"the overwhelming majority" trotsky Jun 2018 #33

Is this your good gods or your bad gods doing? Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #2

This is the doing of Donald Trump and the leaders guillaumeb Jun 2018 #4

So the bad stuff is just humans and the good stuff Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #5

The bad stuff that humans do is humans behaving like humans. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #6

Ah so your gods have nothing to do with it. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #9

Are humans basically horrible? guillaumeb Jun 2018 #10

I expect something that claims to be THE source of morality marylandblue Jun 2018 #12

But the actual actors are humans. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #15

Then how do you decide what's horrible? marylandblue Jun 2018 #19

I use "do unto others" as a baseline. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #20

One way is not to allow your religion to be misused. marylandblue Jun 2018 #22

It is the desired outcome, and we theists should try, guillaumeb Jun 2018 #24

One way is to speak for your religion marylandblue Jun 2018 #28

Gil believes there are more important things he needs to do. trotsky Jun 2018 #35

I can only speak for my religion. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #39

This is the first I have heard you say you can speak for a religion, not just yourself. marylandblue Jun 2018 #44

I said "my religion", guillaumeb Jun 2018 #46

Then like I said, it puts you at a disadvantage marylandblue Jun 2018 #47

I agree, and the loudest voices get the most attention. eom guillaumeb Jun 2018 #49

Gil's particular flavor of Christianity is rather unique, from what he has told us here. Mariana Jun 2018 #52

Guillaumebism it is then. marylandblue Jun 2018 #54

If religion can't even help it's own adherents overcome their basal nature... Act_of_Reparation Jun 2018 #30

This thread featured The Big Ass Shovel. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #31

The DU Superdeep Borehole Act_of_Reparation Jun 2018 #32

I'm sure a well-constructed, reasoned argument will be coming your way soon. trotsky Jun 2018 #36

Allow me to refrmae your question: guillaumeb Jun 2018 #41

We need a system of government. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #56

We need a system of government where money has no voice. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #62

You are making the perfect the enemy of the good marylandblue Jun 2018 #66

No, I am posing a proposition. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #70

Citizen United did not create the Christian Taliban marylandblue Jun 2018 #74

Christian intolerance has always existed in the US. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #75

Thanks for making my point stronger. marylandblue Jun 2018 #81

Simply history. eom guillaumeb Jun 2018 #82

Goes back to my post #1, we have come full circle marylandblue Jun 2018 #83

Time to go around the track again? eom guillaumeb Jun 2018 #90

I'd rather not, perhaps you can come up with a better answer? marylandblue Jun 2018 #94

Christian intolerance is a fact. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #95

Christians fueled movements to undo the wrongs Christians created in the first place marylandblue Jun 2018 #98

The problem is human intolerance. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #99

You skip right over the most interesting things, and take them as given marylandblue Jun 2018 #100

I did not claim that every human is equally intolerant, guillaumeb Jun 2018 #103

Woooshhh! marylandblue Jun 2018 #108

I'm missing what that has to do with religion. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #67

#Whataboutism n/t trotsky Jun 2018 #57

We've been over this. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2018 #58

Religion, a human construct, can be used Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #14

Deities do not fight on earth. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #16

Yes fine. Now about religion.... Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #25

Yes, this is about religion. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #26

And yet you keep eliminating religion. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #29

It's a mystery why he even bothers to post in the Religion group. trotsky Jun 2018 #37

That was weirdly Islamophobic Lordquinton Jun 2018 #53

It's ok to shit on Islam. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #55

They do. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2018 #59

Amir is more like a general, governor or a prince marylandblue Jun 2018 #84

Yeah I didn't think the Taliban had caliphs. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #86

Amir al-Mu'minin translates to "Commander of the Faithful" Act_of_Reparation Jun 2018 #87

Different words, different meanings marylandblue Jun 2018 #88

Perhaps. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2018 #89

The title was deliberately provocative. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #61

So it is ok to shit on somebody else's religion Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #68

Read the second sentence of my reply. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #71

If Christians are really awful they become Muslims. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #85

Justify that interpretation, guillaumeb Jun 2018 #91

It is the headline of the op you posted. Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #92

Your words: guillaumeb Jun 2018 #93

I agree you just completely diverted away Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #96

If you understood, guillaumeb Jun 2018 #97

So I'm an idiot and a headline that clearly Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #102

Refer back to my previous post. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #104

Consider why you didn't see that your Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #105

Consider why you are determined to find it so. eom guillaumeb Jun 2018 #106

It echoes the title Lordquinton Jun 2018 #101

We disagree. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #107

"American Fascists" by Chris Hedges CrispyQ Jun 2018 #77

I have never read it. guillaumeb Jun 2018 #79