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marylandblue

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15. Every living thing responds to stimuli

Reply to guillaumeb (Reply #14)

Fri Jul 20, 2018, 07:35 PM

Jul 2018

Even bacteria will move away from harmful chemicals and towards nutrients. No free will required.

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Free Will?... [View all] NeoGreen Jul 2018 OP

To Which question are you refering Fullduplexxx Jul 2018 #1

God doesn't enter into the question of free will cyclonefence Jul 2018 #2

Facing alternatives that require choice humans admit that their choice (free will) is in2herbs Jul 2018 #4

Are you seriously suggesting cyclonefence Jul 2018 #5

Hey why pick on Louisiana! Croney Jul 2018 #27

I'm from WV cyclonefence Jul 2018 #30

But who we are changes. Croney Jul 2018 #32

The evidence currently supports the theory that Voltaire2 Jul 2018 #10

No, they can't. Act_of_Reparation Jul 2018 #3

Assuming? One has to do a great deal of that, it seems to me, MineralMan Jul 2018 #7

If free will is an illusion, can anyone be guilty of anything? eom guillaumeb Jul 2018 #6

Yes, because the possibility of punishment affects your decision marylandblue Jul 2018 #8

So one would be punished for something guillaumeb Jul 2018 #12

Yes, because the punishment helps you avoid doing it marylandblue Jul 2018 #13

But with no free will, guillaumeb Jul 2018 #14

Every living thing responds to stimuli marylandblue Jul 2018 #15

Are you comparing bacteria to sentient beings? guillaumeb Jul 2018 #16

You said that "without free will, there is no avoiding things" marylandblue Jul 2018 #17

Ther is a difference between behaving in an anti-social manner guillaumeb Jul 2018 #18

Then state your case more clearly. marylandblue Jul 2018 #19

The full argument is that all behaviour is just responses to external stimuli muriel_volestrangler Jul 2018 #20

Agreed. guillaumeb Jul 2018 #22

We may also be unable to avoid assigning and feeling guilt marylandblue Jul 2018 #23

Agreed. guillaumeb Jul 2018 #24

So the answer to the question in 6 is yes. marylandblue Jul 2018 #26

But if guilt requires intent, guillaumeb Jul 2018 #34

We just established that guilt is unavoidable, so the consequences are unavoidable too marylandblue Jul 2018 #35

No, I think there's still "guilt" muriel_volestrangler Jul 2018 #25

Avoid is full of nuances and multiple meanings Lordquinton Jul 2018 #29

Not in the classic sense. Voltaire2 Jul 2018 #9

(taps hand on table) Here! Here!... NeoGreen Jul 2018 #11

Punishment is very much rooted in religion Lordquinton Jul 2018 #28

and of course everyone is exercising their free will Voltaire2 Jul 2018 #31

Aren't the people in government exercising their free will when they punish others? Lordquinton Jul 2018 #33

How does the free will argument edhopper Jul 2018 #21