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Goblinmonger

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8. He can call himself whatever he wants and I'll respect his self labeling

Sat May 26, 2012, 06:13 PM

May 2012

And I think he is an awesome person.

BUT, words do have meaning and agnostic and atheist are not different points on a linear scale. They deal with different things. Too many people think that agnostic just means something less "certain" than atheist and that is not the case. Theism deals with believe and gnosticism with knowledge. He either believes in a god or he does not. He is either an atheist or a theist. Whether he claims knowledge about his belief will place him on the agnostic/gnostic scale.

And I agree with the person above that he probably doesn't want the atheist label because of the way society reacts to it. he probably doesn't want some of the regulars in this form telling him that he is like Stalin and Pol Pot.

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Neil deGrasse Tyson presentation about intelligent design and religion... [View all] rexcat May 2012 OP

But what? cbayer May 2012 #1

Please do not go there. I beg you. longship May 2012 #2

I agree, but felt the need to contest what the OP was implying. cbayer May 2012 #3

I agree with you on NDT longship May 2012 #4

I was wrong for that. It's a touchy point for me. cbayer May 2012 #5

Do you identify as agnostic? laconicsax May 2012 #9

It is obvious even to the casual observer... rexcat May 2012 #6

He is what he says he is. cbayer May 2012 #7

He can call himself whatever he wants and I'll respect his self labeling Goblinmonger May 2012 #8

You seem to object to a lot of things... rexcat May 2012 #10

Annoying but typical. Ouch, lol! cbayer May 2012 #11

He can call himself anything he wants... rexcat May 2012 #12

Oh, you mean the member who has so much dread of offending members of this group that cbayer May 2012 #13

This message was self-deleted by its author rexcat May 2012 #15

I participate here... rexcat May 2012 #16

You brought him up and even speculated as to why he didn't want to post it himself. cbayer May 2012 #21

For one thing... rexcat May 2012 #29

Who said anything about goblinmonger? cbayer May 2012 #30

Seriously, meta is the place for the discussion of the blocking decision. Goblinmonger May 2012 #31

BTW, the only PM I have ever sent you was the following (in response to one you sent me) cbayer May 2012 #33

My point was your decision was chickenshit but not you personally... rexcat May 2012 #37

No, I go into protected forums to defend myself or other members of this group. cbayer May 2012 #39

When I search for that phrase, only your post comes up. Goblinmonger May 2012 #17

Here you go. cordelia May 2012 #18

Huh Goblinmonger May 2012 #19

That is interesting. laconicsax May 2012 #20

Matthew 7:5 nt daaron May 2012 #52

This message was self-deleted by its author Act_of_Reparation May 2012 #14

He is Agnostic for the same reason I am. Gore1FL May 2012 #22

Can you state that in a more grammatically correct form? edcantor May 2012 #23

You want to attack grammar? Really? Gore1FL May 2012 #38

I don't think you are using that word correctly. cleanhippie May 2012 #24

I am using it according to Webster. n/t Gore1FL May 2012 #35

Webster has Gnosticism defined as evidence? cleanhippie May 2012 #46

I've had this discussion several times already on this subthread. Gore1FL May 2012 #47

I did, and nowhere do you recant what you just told me, that Websters includes evidence as part cleanhippie May 2012 #48

My basic point was that ultimately, I don't know the answer. (Which is also Tyson's.) Gore1FL May 2012 #49

But are you an agnostic atheist or an agnostic theist? Goblinmonger May 2012 #25

Of course it is not linear. Gore1FL May 2012 #34

So you currently don't believe in a god? Goblinmonger May 2012 #36

So you are saying it is not linear, but it is 2 dimensional? Gore1FL May 2012 #40

I've been pretty clear about what I've been saying Goblinmonger May 2012 #41

Then I am on the atheist side of things. n/t Gore1FL May 2012 #42

I fully understand people not wanting the atheist label Goblinmonger May 2012 #43

You are misusing the term "Agnostic" Act_of_Reparation May 2012 #26

No I'm not Gore1FL May 2012 #32

Yes, you are. Act_of_Reparation May 2012 #44

I lean towards there not being a God.., Gore1FL May 2012 #45

I have no desire to label you whatsoever... Act_of_Reparation May 2012 #50

He explains it really well, which is not surprising. cbayer May 2012 #27

That's just not true. Goblinmonger May 2012 #28

That was splendid! JNelson6563 May 2012 #51