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Major Nikon

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132. Descriptions of god don't come from atheists

Wed Aug 8, 2018, 08:01 PM

Aug 2018

They come from believers. Those descriptions have a huge variance.

I’ve seen quite a few different ones, but have yet to see one that wasn’t absurd on face value or any other. There’s just different degrees. Scientologist descriptions of Xenu are pretty out there while certain Native American descriptions of a non-interventionalist force of nature seem less so, but still just not that reasonable even when you understand what they mean.

I certainly haven’t seen every description out there. Maybe some exist that would be within the realm of reason. If you have something unique, then more power to you. My perspective is I’m not so convinced of my own position the think all believers are necessarily wrong. I just reject the arguments I’ve seen so far.

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Why is it ok for people to believe in some fake things and not others? [View all] Eko Jul 2018 OP

One has developed into an institution(s) passed on generation to generation Glamrock Jul 2018 #1

Wouldnt that be Eko Jul 2018 #2

I don't know. Glamrock Jul 2018 #3

Ha Ha! Eko Jul 2018 #4

I worked at a farm. Glamrock Jul 2018 #5

Gotta do what ya gotta do, Eko Jul 2018 #6

I'm a front man baby! Glamrock Jul 2018 #7

Course, Eko Jul 2018 #8

The singing wasn't as hard Glamrock Jul 2018 #9

Seen your posts, Eko Jul 2018 #10

We're not that far off. Glamrock Jul 2018 #11

Best band ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Eko Jul 2018 #13

Really! Glamrock Jul 2018 #14

Gotta go to sleep, Eko Jul 2018 #16

I'll pm you tomorrow. Glamrock Jul 2018 #18

This message was self-deleted by its author Glamrock Jul 2018 #12

Some things are obviously fake and some things are obviously true, or seen as likely true if you braddy Jul 2018 #15

And taht would be Eko Jul 2018 #17

Since the beginning of time, since the beginning of the human species. braddy Jul 2018 #20

There is no evidence for that assertion. Voltaire2 Jul 2018 #22

Yes there is, when did humans miss God, what era is that? braddy Jul 2018 #23

The earliest evidence for any religious behavior Voltaire2 Jul 2018 #24

You are wrong by 100s of thousands of years. braddy Jul 2018 #29

Nope. Voltaire2 Jul 2018 #31

Your personal beliefs are your own. braddy Jul 2018 #34

Ok so back to the evidence for human god beliefs... Voltaire2 Jul 2018 #36

100s of thousands of years, the more we learn, the farther it goes back, but you think humans aren't braddy Jul 2018 #38

I'm just asking you to provide a link to the Voltaire2 Jul 2018 #41

So you are asking for proof to disprove an assertion you never proved? Major Nikon Jul 2018 #32

No, I didn't, so your post makes no sense. braddy Jul 2018 #33

... Major Nikon Jul 2018 #35

We don't go to meetings to reinforce our belief in gravity. Scruffy1 Jul 2018 #21

I don't think people go to meetings to reinforce their belief in a god either... ret5hd Jul 2018 #57

Thanks braddy! Glamrock Jul 2018 #19

Incorrect (IMHO), I would argue that... NeoGreen Jul 2018 #25

Yet universal and he has always been there, as Archaeology shows. braddy Jul 2018 #28

But only as far back as Archaeology shows... NeoGreen Jul 2018 #37

Homo sapiens are only 300,000 years old. Voltaire2 Jul 2018 #42

Oops.. NeoGreen Jul 2018 #47

Yes. Voltaire2 Aug 2018 #62

I take exception Cartoonist Jul 2018 #27

Yet the human species sees and has always seen what you don't. braddy Jul 2018 #30

You just contradicted yourself Major Nikon Jul 2018 #44

LOL, speaking in general about the species rather than an individual, yeah that is a real deal braddy Jul 2018 #45

Lots of individuals with no reason not to suspect anything but recent history Major Nikon Jul 2018 #46

Humans seem to be "aware" of all sorts of gods Mariana Jul 2018 #39

Your post recognizes what humans recognize, God, they aren't always clear on him, but they know braddy Jul 2018 #40

Are you clear? Mariana Aug 2018 #61

Name me the human on the planet qazplm135 Jul 2018 #26

"As long as you aren't hurting anyone" Pope George Ringo II Jul 2018 #43

so every single person qazplm135 Aug 2018 #66

That's not what PGRII said, and you know it. Mariana Aug 2018 #69

all sorts of things are "things" qazplm135 Aug 2018 #70

Waht kind of fake things do I believe in? Eko Aug 2018 #154

I have no idea qazplm135 Aug 2018 #159

Not believing in something fake Eko Aug 2018 #163

no, they aren't qazplm135 Aug 2018 #164

I'm a literalist Eko Aug 2018 #167

no qazplm135 Aug 2018 #173

They are not even close to the same thing. Eko Aug 2018 #171

that's not even wrong enough to be wrong qazplm135 Aug 2018 #172

I don't know why it's so hard for you to understand Eko Aug 2018 #174

You keep saying that of course I believe in things not true Eko Aug 2018 #175

You win eko qazplm135 Aug 2018 #176

Why do you keep resorting to the strawman argument? Eko Aug 2018 #177

but your objective reality qazplm135 Aug 2018 #179

Nothing is 100% accurate. Eko Aug 2018 #180

delusional qazplm135 Aug 2018 #181

Then I dont say its true if I dont know. Eko Aug 2018 #182

it's simple alright qazplm135 Aug 2018 #183

In what way? Eko Aug 2018 #184

I don't think you understand qazplm135 Aug 2018 #185

Sure. Eko Aug 2018 #186

I didn't attack your character qazplm135 Aug 2018 #187

My simple-minded presentation and argument? Eko Aug 2018 #188

I guess it would depend on what one considers harmful, wouldn't it? Act_of_Reparation Aug 2018 #71

so as an American you are harmful then yes? qazplm135 Aug 2018 #72

Some would say yes. Act_of_Reparation Aug 2018 #73

And imagine if the more patriotic you were, the more likely you were to blow up a Canadian cafe. Pope George Ringo II Aug 2018 #77

It's emblematic of the schizophrenic thinking of the moderates. Act_of_Reparation Aug 2018 #80

I didn't ask what some would say qazplm135 Aug 2018 #81

My opinion is immaterial. Act_of_Reparation Aug 2018 #94

LMAO qazplm135 Aug 2018 #95

Yeah, that's fascinating. Act_of_Reparation Aug 2018 #99

I'm not surprised it's over your head qazplm135 Aug 2018 #106

Yes, I am most certainly an imbecile. Act_of_Reparation Aug 2018 #118

ah I see qazplm135 Aug 2018 #120

No, you manifestly don't. Act_of_Reparation Aug 2018 #147

Savita Halappanavar. Pope George Ringo II Aug 2018 #74

Raif Badawi Pope George Ringo II Aug 2018 #75

John Thomas Scopes Pope George Ringo II Aug 2018 #76

Correction, $100 not $1000... NeoGreen Aug 2018 #78

I sit corrected. Thank you for the catch. Pope George Ringo II Aug 2018 #79

how is this responsive? qazplm135 Aug 2018 #82

Who else do you think is responsible? Pope George Ringo II Aug 2018 #84

individuals are responsible for their acts qazplm135 Aug 2018 #92

Don't mind me. By all means continue. Pope George Ringo II Aug 2018 #93

oh well if you have a "formal study" that ends all debate then qazplm135 Aug 2018 #96

Your argument could just as easily apply to the GOP Major Nikon Aug 2018 #97

And even if National Socialism did hurt somebody Pope George Ringo II Aug 2018 #100

no you didn't learn jack squat qazplm135 Aug 2018 #104

It's OK even if you only occassionally say, but don't do nice things Major Nikon Aug 2018 #114

My argument applies just fine to those qazplm135 Aug 2018 #103

Are you seriously suggesting there's nothing inherently wrong with naziism? Major Nikon Aug 2018 #112

Why try again? I feel great about where I am. Pope George Ringo II Aug 2018 #98

religion hasn't done squat good or bad qazplm135 Aug 2018 #105

If you're that determined to keep digging, I'll leave you to it. Pope George Ringo II Aug 2018 #107

lol qazplm135 Aug 2018 #111

Guns don't kill people Major Nikon Aug 2018 #113

lol qazplm135 Aug 2018 #115

The assertion about guns is wrong Major Nikon Aug 2018 #116

praytell enlighten me qazplm135 Aug 2018 #121

Better you enlighten yourself of why "guns don't kill people" is bullshit Major Nikon Aug 2018 #122

I didn't say "guns don't kill people" qazplm135 Aug 2018 #137

Says the one who props up the RCC as a poster child for LGBT tolerance Major Nikon Aug 2018 #139

WTF are you even talking about? qazplm135 Aug 2018 #140

Not surprised you'd resort to name calling Major Nikon Aug 2018 #141

yes I said qazplm135 Aug 2018 #143

I'm sure you made another good rant Major Nikon Aug 2018 #144

Honey, I have to agree with them on this part... moriah Aug 2018 #148

How exactly does one reject faith for someone else? Major Nikon Aug 2018 #149

Fringes compared to the main branch. moriah Aug 2018 #155

Cherry picking? You realize your best example is .03% of Christians in the US, right? Major Nikon Aug 2018 #156

What I am trying to explain is.... moriah Aug 2018 #158

That is categorically absurd. Act_of_Reparation Aug 2018 #160

Faith and religion are two different things Major Nikon Aug 2018 #161

Me. Eko Jul 2018 #50

highly doubt it qazplm135 Aug 2018 #65

Words are imprecise. So we think and speak only approximately. struggle4progress Jul 2018 #48

What? Eko Jul 2018 #49

μήλο pomme Apfel яблоко omena alma 蘋果 խնձոր k8conant Jul 2018 #55

Since the question was asked in english Eko Aug 2018 #68

yeah yeah struggle4progress Aug 2018 #67

No. It is a photographic representation of an apple. MineralMan Aug 2018 #83

Or Eko Aug 2018 #85

Well, yes. One further step removed from an apple, innit? MineralMan Aug 2018 #86

Sure Eko Aug 2018 #87

Yes, we often mistake representations of a thing as the thing itself. MineralMan Aug 2018 #88

No idea what point you are trying to make. Eko Aug 2018 #89

The farther away from the actual object, assuming that object exists, MineralMan Aug 2018 #90

Ok. Eko Aug 2018 #91

Using the photo of that particular apple, I will say that it MineralMan Aug 2018 #178

People believe what they want to believe Jarqui Jul 2018 #51

What if what they believe is Eko Jul 2018 #52

It's a real problem Jarqui Jul 2018 #53

No teenager really believes they are indestructible and wont OD, they just think they will beat the Eko Jul 2018 #54

True, they don't think it will happen to them Jarqui Jul 2018 #56

Swallowed you mean. Eko Jul 2018 #58

For clarity, I do not think it is "ok" Jarqui Jul 2018 #59

Those are excuses. Eko Jul 2018 #60

I do not think a small group of people controlling 95% of the media Jarqui Aug 2018 #63

The beliefs are not the problem, the harmful actions are the problem marylandblue Aug 2018 #64

I think it has to do with the frailty of our egos. Throck Aug 2018 #101

When an athiest tells me their definition of "God" gtar100 Aug 2018 #102

In their own image zipplewrath Aug 2018 #109

So there's a version of god that isn't absurd? Major Nikon Aug 2018 #117

There is to me but apparently there isn't to you. gtar100 Aug 2018 #124

I have no issue if you don't want to explain your assertion Major Nikon Aug 2018 #126

Not trying to be dismissive. No expectations. gtar100 Aug 2018 #131

Descriptions of god don't come from atheists Major Nikon Aug 2018 #132

That's cool. I don't think you can be easily duped with that approach. gtar100 Aug 2018 #134

So what is your version? marylandblue Aug 2018 #127

That's a good conversation over a few drinks or tokes. gtar100 Aug 2018 #133

We are not so far apart. marylandblue Aug 2018 #151

Ok. You go ahead and define god. Voltaire2 Aug 2018 #123

More spider webs Voltaire? gtar100 Aug 2018 #125

Ah so atheists shouldn't define god, but Voltaire2 Aug 2018 #138

Oh heck no! You are as free as the birds to define what you will. gtar100 Aug 2018 #145

Oh you are a pantheist. Voltaire2 Aug 2018 #157

Okay then. gtar100 Aug 2018 #166

Im an atheist. Eko Aug 2018 #129

I would say it's the source of all intelligence. gtar100 Aug 2018 #136

Well now, Eko Aug 2018 #142

Yep, sometimes it is! :) gtar100 Aug 2018 #146

This is entirely why there are more of us every year. Eko Aug 2018 #150

Depends if it is provably false zipplewrath Aug 2018 #108

Depends also what you mean by proof marylandblue Aug 2018 #128

How is it provably false? Eko Aug 2018 #130

Documentation zipplewrath Aug 2018 #165

Lots of people Eko Aug 2018 #168

Kinda hard to hide that zipplewrath Aug 2018 #169

Just because something is kinda hard Eko Aug 2018 #170

I'm not sure how that helps believers of either one Major Nikon Aug 2018 #135

I don't care what one believes TlalocW Aug 2018 #110

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2018 #119

If we are talking about the Christian Right, they are willing to believe what suits their prejudices Doodley Aug 2018 #152

So, fake on their side bad. Eko Aug 2018 #153

That which can be destroyed by the truth should be. --P. C. Hodgell Major Nikon Aug 2018 #162