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Have you ever found a good answer? Cartoonist Sep 2018 #1
2 things: guillaumeb Sep 2018 #2
I guess god forgot Cartoonist Sep 2018 #3
I fail to see the logic behind your response. eom guillaumeb Sep 2018 #4
If not omnipresent then not God. A Demi-God for Earth? Fred Sanders Sep 2018 #6
Please prove #2. trotsky Sep 2018 #8
If you look at replies 1 and 2, guillaumeb Sep 2018 #9
A terrible answer Loki Liesmith Sep 2018 #126
No, it is my answer. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #149
My answer is simple. Igel Sep 2018 #96
But you didn't create the universe or the human condition marylandblue Sep 2018 #97
It seems that Allah grants free will to hurricanes as well. Towlie Sep 2018 #5
A natural weather occurence. eom guillaumeb Sep 2018 #15
Straw man plus begging the question. trotsky Sep 2018 #7
I am certain that the author would be devastated by your response. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #10
Ah yes, everyone is just too stupid to understand the brilliant logic. trotsky Sep 2018 #11
I did not say that you were/are stupid. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #13
Then explain it. trotsky Sep 2018 #16
What the author said: guillaumeb Sep 2018 #17
No we don't Cartoonist Sep 2018 #18
And do you agree that you and I do not know the whoe of reality? guillaumeb Sep 2018 #24
I agree Cartoonist Sep 2018 #48
Speaking of making a fool of oneself, guillaumeb Sep 2018 #55
Who is they? Cartoonist Sep 2018 #62
Again, so insightful. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #64
"What you see as reality is limited." trotsky Sep 2018 #21
Ah yes, the old, tired and worn out, "god works in mysterious ways" excuse Major Nikon Sep 2018 #142
He is correct about the author's presumption marylandblue Sep 2018 #58
The author has faith. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #60
I consider lack of evidence to be "evidence" but perhaps not absolute proof marylandblue Sep 2018 #65
Or, it shows that the search started from false premises. eom guillaumeb Sep 2018 #69
What would be the correct premise to begin the search for God? marylandblue Sep 2018 #73
Faith. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #76
Sounds like a good starting point for comfirmation bias marylandblue Sep 2018 #85
Agreed. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #86
If there is no evidence for God, then the most likely conclusion marylandblue Sep 2018 #87
So you just have to decide that there is a god? Lordquinton Sep 2018 #108
In each case, for each position, guillaumeb Sep 2018 #112
What else do you accept without evidence? marylandblue Sep 2018 #117
There is no evidence phlogiston exists marylandblue Sep 2018 #121
The Phlogiston Theory is a wonderful example of science working MineralMan Sep 2018 #122
Speaking of framing Lordquinton Sep 2018 #107
I have previously given my position on faith, and that no evidence is needed. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #111
Using Lordquinton's translation stated elsewhere marylandblue Sep 2018 #119
What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence Major Nikon Sep 2018 #143
Hitchens made many good points when he confined himself to politics. eom guillaumeb Sep 2018 #150
Meanwhile you are making many poor fallacies Major Nikon Sep 2018 #152
If you could qazplm135 Sep 2018 #37
Nope. trotsky Sep 2018 #41
Lol qazplm135 Sep 2018 #66
And yet the clear and wholly unoriginal thesis Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #74
and what was my response qazplm135 Sep 2018 #89
This. Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #92
What's the all caps word there qazplm135 Sep 2018 #93
Perhaps you forgot that the op was referring Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #94
ffs qazplm135 Sep 2018 #123
Converting, are you, guillaumeb? MineralMan Sep 2018 #12
You believe that Epicurus was correct. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #14
You cannot say what I believe, guillaumeb, nor when MineralMan Sep 2018 #20
Speaking of blind arrogance..... guillaumeb Sep 2018 #23
When you presume to tell others what they think or believe, MineralMan Sep 2018 #25
And my point was on confirmation bias. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #26
I realize that you have convinced yourself of that. MineralMan Sep 2018 #27
"Allah" doesn't allow anything... NeoGreen Sep 2018 #19
The Creator understands. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #22
And the understanding is all still of no greater effect in reality than... NeoGreen Sep 2018 #28
Do you understand all of reality? guillaumeb Sep 2018 #29
(nt) NeoGreen Sep 2018 #30
your limitations make it impossible qazplm135 Sep 2018 #39
The Creator cannot exist outside of the reality that is a creation of the Creator. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #40
Flimflam. MineralMan Sep 2018 #43
Your new favorite term? guillaumeb Sep 2018 #49
Actually, a Creator cannot exist within the reality that is its creation. MineralMan Sep 2018 #45
Follow your own advice. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #50
Nonsensical qazplm135 Sep 2018 #68
Your determination of the limits of the Creator. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #71
No the basic definition of what a god is supposed to be qazplm135 Sep 2018 #72
Since when? Lordquinton Sep 2018 #110
2 different concepts. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #114
This sounds very traditionally Christian in a way. marylandblue Sep 2018 #118
The Word becomes flesh every time someone accepts the Word. eom guillaumeb Sep 2018 #148
So your answer is that you get to have it both ways? Lordquinton Sep 2018 #125
Do you understand any of reality. MineralMan Sep 2018 #44
2 wholly unsupported claims. n/t trotsky Sep 2018 #31
Excellent counting skills. eom guillaumeb Sep 2018 #32
Offsets your pitiful argumentation skills, I guess. n/t trotsky Sep 2018 #33
Notice that I made no comment on your argumentation ability. eom guillaumeb Sep 2018 #34
Yes, I realize that, because you acknowledge its superiority by being unable to respond. trotsky Sep 2018 #35
I understand. eom guillaumeb Sep 2018 #36
Thanks for agreeing with me! n/t trotsky Sep 2018 #38
Clearly, you do not. nt MineralMan Sep 2018 #46
So you disagree with trotsky? guillaumeb Sep 2018 #51
My reply was to you, not anyone else. MineralMan Sep 2018 #95
Haven't you claimed Mariana Sep 2018 #81
Many here understand that this is my opinion. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #82
How can you even have an opinion Mariana Sep 2018 #83
How can some have an opinion that the Creator does not exist? guillaumeb Sep 2018 #84
Gil, you don't just posit some creator might exist. Mariana Sep 2018 #88
I assumed that you recognized that my opinion posts are just my personal view. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #98
Did you just make up your personal views Mariana Sep 2018 #103
We all approach faith as individuals. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #106
Allah, Yahweh, Zeus allow nothing. MineralMan Sep 2018 #42
Thus it is definitively decided. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #53
.. MineralMan Sep 2018 #56
Always your best response. eom guillaumeb Sep 2018 #57
Often, it's all I need. MineralMan Sep 2018 #63
This theodicy rests on a logic error marylandblue Sep 2018 #47
Your error is presuming that you understand the reason for the Creator's actions. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #52
I don't assume anything other than the usual definition of God marylandblue Sep 2018 #54
If a human being cannot make an informed judgement of reality, then why are we supposed to trust it? DetlefK Sep 2018 #59
Any human believes in a god because of faith. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #61
Is human faith fallible or infallible? DetlefK Sep 2018 #67
Nothing human can be infallible. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #70
Then faith is irrelevant for the question whether God exists. DetlefK Sep 2018 #75
No, faith is the belief in the Creator. eom guillaumeb Sep 2018 #77
But you just said that it's fallible. That means, it's unreliable. DetlefK Sep 2018 #91
Faith requires belief. Any statement of faith represents a statement of belief. eom guillaumeb Sep 2018 #99
What are your definitions of "faith" and "belief"? DetlefK Sep 2018 #100
My faith in this area refers to my belief that the Creator created what we guillaumeb Sep 2018 #104
I don't ask what your faith and your belief are. What are your definitions of "faith" and "belief"? DetlefK Sep 2018 #116
Faith has been defined as the willing suspension of disbelief. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #147
Willing? Little children are indoctrinated to have faith Mariana Sep 2018 #159
Are little children indoctrinated into believing in patriotism? guillaumeb Sep 2018 #178
Yes, and that isn't voluntary either. It is forced upon them. nt. Mariana Sep 2018 #181
This is also the definition of enjoying science fiction marylandblue Sep 2018 #162
Now we're getting somewhere. DetlefK Sep 2018 #170
Faith is the foundation for religion. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #179
So what? It's not my fault that religion is full of philosophical errors! DetlefK Sep 2018 #182
Religion takes many forms. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #183
This is not about people. This is about faith. DetlefK Sep 2018 #185
He won't answer, because faith isn't an argument marylandblue Sep 2018 #186
Faith and belief are dependent on each other. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #189
Stop digging. You are only making it worse. DetlefK Sep 2018 #195
Do you only have provable beliefs? eom guillaumeb Sep 2018 #202
The point is, how willing are we to defend that which cannot be defended? DetlefK Sep 2018 #203
Allah is the same Abrahamic god worshipped by Christians. If you believe the OT, he actively ... malchickiwick Sep 2018 #78
Some Christians deny that Allah is the same as the god of the Bible. eom guillaumeb Sep 2018 #79
*Historically illiterate Christians deny that Allah is the same as the god of the Bible. eom malchickiwick Sep 2018 #80
Agreed. eom guillaumeb Sep 2018 #175
Some Christians also deny that Jesus is the same as the god of the bible Major Nikon Sep 2018 #153
Drivel. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2018 #90
Free will. underpants Sep 2018 #101
Free Willy! True Dough Sep 2018 #102
Yes. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #105
Is human suffering always contingent upon the free action of other humans? Act_of_Reparation Sep 2018 #134
How insightful of you. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #177
Not really. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2018 #180
It is entirely likely then that you don't know any humans. Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #164
You ask an interesting question. TomSlick Sep 2018 #109
Agreed. An excellent repsonse. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #113
I regret there is no place to discuss religion on DU. TomSlick Sep 2018 #115
Here is the Statement of Purpose for the Religion Group: MineralMan Sep 2018 #120
Correct. TomSlick Sep 2018 #128
I do not recall anyone saying anything like that to you. MineralMan Sep 2018 #130
We agree. TomSlick Sep 2018 #131
Religion is a topic that is open for debate. MineralMan Sep 2018 #132
Wow. Fascinating. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2018 #145
Illustrating one of the poster's points. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #146
Uh-huh. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2018 #154
His point was that cluelessness gets mocked? Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #155
This is you illustrating my observation of the 11th Commandment. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #176
You really should back up your statement. Mariana Sep 2018 #160
You'll never get one. trotsky Sep 2018 #200
Well, it isn't working, apparently. MineralMan Sep 2018 #201
Yes, there is some harsh rhetoric and ridicule in that regard marylandblue Sep 2018 #124
People break the rules here and they get dealt with Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #156
I think criticism on this site goes beyond "outspoken" marylandblue Sep 2018 #157
Do you think that there have been any attemps Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #158
Yes there is that one poster, but I've seen harsh rhetoric directed at others marylandblue Sep 2018 #161
Like this current subthread where a religionist Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #163
I didn't see any harshness and I didn't see him say we were wrecking DU marylandblue Sep 2018 #166
He's said several demonstrably false things in this thread. Mariana Sep 2018 #167
I got the sense he was offering an impressionistic viewpoint rather than any direct quote marylandblue Sep 2018 #168
That is not what he was squawking about. Mariana Sep 2018 #174
People don't distinguish between attacking their cherished ideas and attacking people marylandblue Sep 2018 #184
He wants what most people lurking the internet want. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2018 #187
I hate people marylandblue Sep 2018 #188
Tom said: Mariana Sep 2018 #190
Ok I concede that point. marylandblue Sep 2018 #191
That is false. There is such a place. Mariana Sep 2018 #133
Of course, nobody has posted there since April. MineralMan Sep 2018 #135
I was just correcting TomSlick's false statement Mariana Sep 2018 #137
Some people like a fight, I guess. MineralMan Sep 2018 #140
Same reason humans don't save every bug, or animal from pain and suffering. We are just so Pisces Sep 2018 #127
Some do have that as a goal. MineralMan Sep 2018 #129
This is true, but a very small percentage of religions or mankind as a whole. It is the arrogance of Pisces Sep 2018 #136
I call foul... NeoGreen Sep 2018 #138
Thanks for supplying the numbers. MineralMan Sep 2018 #141
I would, humbly, suggest that the author of post #136... NeoGreen Sep 2018 #151
Very few actively practice harm avoidance. Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #165
That is true, but the principle still exists. MineralMan Sep 2018 #173
Reading stuff like this... Act_of_Reparation Sep 2018 #144
Why? marylandblue Sep 2018 #169
You don't find anything disquieting... Act_of_Reparation Sep 2018 #171
No, I find it metaphorical for the physical universe marylandblue Sep 2018 #172
Why do some people have to experience so much more pain than others? trotsky Sep 2018 #139
Why are some people taller than others? guillaumeb Sep 2018 #193
Random variation and natural selection marylandblue Sep 2018 #194
Genetics. trotsky Sep 2018 #196
We both know he won't. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2018 #197
It's his standard propaganda technique - whataboutism. trotsky Sep 2018 #198
Performance art. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2018 #199
An interesting response. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #192
I don't know why but the effects of suffering are like a gamble. gtar100 Sep 2018 #204
My interpretation of the phrase "allow human suffering" is that guillaumeb Sep 2018 #205
What free will human decision causes earthquakes? marylandblue Sep 2018 #206
Is that the best response you could think of? eom guillaumeb Sep 2018 #207
That was a question, not a response. Do you have an answer? marylandblue Sep 2018 #208
I was serious. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #209
That was my question to you. marylandblue Sep 2018 #210
The commonality is suffering. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #211
The causal mechanisms are different marylandblue Sep 2018 #212
Of course. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #213
Human actors have free will to cause pain to otherhuman actors marylandblue Sep 2018 #214
Human actors have the ability, and the will. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #216
The Creator doesn't have free will? marylandblue Sep 2018 #218
The Creator created, and free will exists in sentient beings. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #219
That doesn't answer the question marylandblue Sep 2018 #220
Now your questions seem designed to avoid dialogue. eom guillaumeb Sep 2018 #221
Not at all. I asked if the Creator has free will. marylandblue Sep 2018 #222
The Creator created. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #223
Sure. marylandblue Sep 2018 #224
Prove that you have free will. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #225
Definition: Free will is the ability to make a choice with no external forces controlling you marylandblue Sep 2018 #226
And does your entire life experience influence your decisions? guillaumeb Sep 2018 #230
Free will isn't 100%, it can be influenced modified etc. marylandblue Sep 2018 #231
No, there is no issue. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #233
The issue is that the Creator created a world with suffering and death marylandblue Sep 2018 #234
Overcrowding? guillaumeb Sep 2018 #235
Omnipotent, remember? marylandblue Sep 2018 #236
No death, no illness, guillaumeb Sep 2018 #237
Not no physical laws. Different laws. marylandblue Sep 2018 #238
Prove ANY ONE of the many statements you have made about your creator. trotsky Sep 2018 #228
Exactly. And that implies (to me) conditions in which we can grow in knowledge through experiences. gtar100 Sep 2018 #215
A very nice reply. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #217
Why do you post these questions and then get dismissive and irritated with the responses? tymorial Sep 2018 #227
I am not looking for conversion. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #229
Who knows why Gil does what he does? Mariana Sep 2018 #232
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