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guillaumeb

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17. What the author said:
Fri Sep 14, 2018, 02:31 PM
Sep 2018
According to Islamic teachings, although human beings can grasp just a small part of reality, they are inclined to make judgments as if they perceive the whole of reality....


And Christian teachings agree with this framing.

So the claim is that the Creator knows more than humans could possibly know. And, with such knowledge, the Creator can see far more than you or I.

What you see as reality is limited.
Have you ever found a good answer? Cartoonist Sep 2018 #1
2 things: guillaumeb Sep 2018 #2
I guess god forgot Cartoonist Sep 2018 #3
I fail to see the logic behind your response. eom guillaumeb Sep 2018 #4
If not omnipresent then not God. A Demi-God for Earth? Fred Sanders Sep 2018 #6
Please prove #2. trotsky Sep 2018 #8
If you look at replies 1 and 2, guillaumeb Sep 2018 #9
A terrible answer Loki Liesmith Sep 2018 #126
No, it is my answer. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #149
My answer is simple. Igel Sep 2018 #96
But you didn't create the universe or the human condition marylandblue Sep 2018 #97
It seems that Allah grants free will to hurricanes as well. Towlie Sep 2018 #5
A natural weather occurence. eom guillaumeb Sep 2018 #15
Straw man plus begging the question. trotsky Sep 2018 #7
I am certain that the author would be devastated by your response. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #10
Ah yes, everyone is just too stupid to understand the brilliant logic. trotsky Sep 2018 #11
I did not say that you were/are stupid. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #13
Then explain it. trotsky Sep 2018 #16
What the author said: guillaumeb Sep 2018 #17
No we don't Cartoonist Sep 2018 #18
And do you agree that you and I do not know the whoe of reality? guillaumeb Sep 2018 #24
I agree Cartoonist Sep 2018 #48
Speaking of making a fool of oneself, guillaumeb Sep 2018 #55
Who is they? Cartoonist Sep 2018 #62
Again, so insightful. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #64
"What you see as reality is limited." trotsky Sep 2018 #21
Ah yes, the old, tired and worn out, "god works in mysterious ways" excuse Major Nikon Sep 2018 #142
He is correct about the author's presumption marylandblue Sep 2018 #58
The author has faith. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #60
I consider lack of evidence to be "evidence" but perhaps not absolute proof marylandblue Sep 2018 #65
Or, it shows that the search started from false premises. eom guillaumeb Sep 2018 #69
What would be the correct premise to begin the search for God? marylandblue Sep 2018 #73
Faith. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #76
Sounds like a good starting point for comfirmation bias marylandblue Sep 2018 #85
Agreed. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #86
If there is no evidence for God, then the most likely conclusion marylandblue Sep 2018 #87
So you just have to decide that there is a god? Lordquinton Sep 2018 #108
In each case, for each position, guillaumeb Sep 2018 #112
What else do you accept without evidence? marylandblue Sep 2018 #117
There is no evidence phlogiston exists marylandblue Sep 2018 #121
The Phlogiston Theory is a wonderful example of science working MineralMan Sep 2018 #122
Speaking of framing Lordquinton Sep 2018 #107
I have previously given my position on faith, and that no evidence is needed. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #111
Using Lordquinton's translation stated elsewhere marylandblue Sep 2018 #119
What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence Major Nikon Sep 2018 #143
Hitchens made many good points when he confined himself to politics. eom guillaumeb Sep 2018 #150
Meanwhile you are making many poor fallacies Major Nikon Sep 2018 #152
If you could qazplm135 Sep 2018 #37
Nope. trotsky Sep 2018 #41
Lol qazplm135 Sep 2018 #66
And yet the clear and wholly unoriginal thesis Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #74
and what was my response qazplm135 Sep 2018 #89
This. Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #92
What's the all caps word there qazplm135 Sep 2018 #93
Perhaps you forgot that the op was referring Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #94
ffs qazplm135 Sep 2018 #123
Converting, are you, guillaumeb? MineralMan Sep 2018 #12
You believe that Epicurus was correct. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #14
You cannot say what I believe, guillaumeb, nor when MineralMan Sep 2018 #20
Speaking of blind arrogance..... guillaumeb Sep 2018 #23
When you presume to tell others what they think or believe, MineralMan Sep 2018 #25
And my point was on confirmation bias. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #26
I realize that you have convinced yourself of that. MineralMan Sep 2018 #27
"Allah" doesn't allow anything... NeoGreen Sep 2018 #19
The Creator understands. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #22
And the understanding is all still of no greater effect in reality than... NeoGreen Sep 2018 #28
Do you understand all of reality? guillaumeb Sep 2018 #29
(nt) NeoGreen Sep 2018 #30
your limitations make it impossible qazplm135 Sep 2018 #39
The Creator cannot exist outside of the reality that is a creation of the Creator. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #40
Flimflam. MineralMan Sep 2018 #43
Your new favorite term? guillaumeb Sep 2018 #49
Actually, a Creator cannot exist within the reality that is its creation. MineralMan Sep 2018 #45
Follow your own advice. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #50
Nonsensical qazplm135 Sep 2018 #68
Your determination of the limits of the Creator. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #71
No the basic definition of what a god is supposed to be qazplm135 Sep 2018 #72
Since when? Lordquinton Sep 2018 #110
2 different concepts. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #114
This sounds very traditionally Christian in a way. marylandblue Sep 2018 #118
The Word becomes flesh every time someone accepts the Word. eom guillaumeb Sep 2018 #148
So your answer is that you get to have it both ways? Lordquinton Sep 2018 #125
Do you understand any of reality. MineralMan Sep 2018 #44
2 wholly unsupported claims. n/t trotsky Sep 2018 #31
Excellent counting skills. eom guillaumeb Sep 2018 #32
Offsets your pitiful argumentation skills, I guess. n/t trotsky Sep 2018 #33
Notice that I made no comment on your argumentation ability. eom guillaumeb Sep 2018 #34
Yes, I realize that, because you acknowledge its superiority by being unable to respond. trotsky Sep 2018 #35
I understand. eom guillaumeb Sep 2018 #36
Thanks for agreeing with me! n/t trotsky Sep 2018 #38
Clearly, you do not. nt MineralMan Sep 2018 #46
So you disagree with trotsky? guillaumeb Sep 2018 #51
My reply was to you, not anyone else. MineralMan Sep 2018 #95
Haven't you claimed Mariana Sep 2018 #81
Many here understand that this is my opinion. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #82
How can you even have an opinion Mariana Sep 2018 #83
How can some have an opinion that the Creator does not exist? guillaumeb Sep 2018 #84
Gil, you don't just posit some creator might exist. Mariana Sep 2018 #88
I assumed that you recognized that my opinion posts are just my personal view. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #98
Did you just make up your personal views Mariana Sep 2018 #103
We all approach faith as individuals. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #106
Allah, Yahweh, Zeus allow nothing. MineralMan Sep 2018 #42
Thus it is definitively decided. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #53
.. MineralMan Sep 2018 #56
Always your best response. eom guillaumeb Sep 2018 #57
Often, it's all I need. MineralMan Sep 2018 #63
This theodicy rests on a logic error marylandblue Sep 2018 #47
Your error is presuming that you understand the reason for the Creator's actions. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #52
I don't assume anything other than the usual definition of God marylandblue Sep 2018 #54
If a human being cannot make an informed judgement of reality, then why are we supposed to trust it? DetlefK Sep 2018 #59
Any human believes in a god because of faith. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #61
Is human faith fallible or infallible? DetlefK Sep 2018 #67
Nothing human can be infallible. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #70
Then faith is irrelevant for the question whether God exists. DetlefK Sep 2018 #75
No, faith is the belief in the Creator. eom guillaumeb Sep 2018 #77
But you just said that it's fallible. That means, it's unreliable. DetlefK Sep 2018 #91
Faith requires belief. Any statement of faith represents a statement of belief. eom guillaumeb Sep 2018 #99
What are your definitions of "faith" and "belief"? DetlefK Sep 2018 #100
My faith in this area refers to my belief that the Creator created what we guillaumeb Sep 2018 #104
I don't ask what your faith and your belief are. What are your definitions of "faith" and "belief"? DetlefK Sep 2018 #116
Faith has been defined as the willing suspension of disbelief. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #147
Willing? Little children are indoctrinated to have faith Mariana Sep 2018 #159
Are little children indoctrinated into believing in patriotism? guillaumeb Sep 2018 #178
Yes, and that isn't voluntary either. It is forced upon them. nt. Mariana Sep 2018 #181
This is also the definition of enjoying science fiction marylandblue Sep 2018 #162
Now we're getting somewhere. DetlefK Sep 2018 #170
Faith is the foundation for religion. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #179
So what? It's not my fault that religion is full of philosophical errors! DetlefK Sep 2018 #182
Religion takes many forms. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #183
This is not about people. This is about faith. DetlefK Sep 2018 #185
He won't answer, because faith isn't an argument marylandblue Sep 2018 #186
Faith and belief are dependent on each other. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #189
Stop digging. You are only making it worse. DetlefK Sep 2018 #195
Do you only have provable beliefs? eom guillaumeb Sep 2018 #202
The point is, how willing are we to defend that which cannot be defended? DetlefK Sep 2018 #203
Allah is the same Abrahamic god worshipped by Christians. If you believe the OT, he actively ... malchickiwick Sep 2018 #78
Some Christians deny that Allah is the same as the god of the Bible. eom guillaumeb Sep 2018 #79
*Historically illiterate Christians deny that Allah is the same as the god of the Bible. eom malchickiwick Sep 2018 #80
Agreed. eom guillaumeb Sep 2018 #175
Some Christians also deny that Jesus is the same as the god of the bible Major Nikon Sep 2018 #153
Drivel. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2018 #90
Free will. underpants Sep 2018 #101
Free Willy! True Dough Sep 2018 #102
Yes. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #105
Is human suffering always contingent upon the free action of other humans? Act_of_Reparation Sep 2018 #134
How insightful of you. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #177
Not really. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2018 #180
It is entirely likely then that you don't know any humans. Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #164
You ask an interesting question. TomSlick Sep 2018 #109
Agreed. An excellent repsonse. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #113
I regret there is no place to discuss religion on DU. TomSlick Sep 2018 #115
Here is the Statement of Purpose for the Religion Group: MineralMan Sep 2018 #120
Correct. TomSlick Sep 2018 #128
I do not recall anyone saying anything like that to you. MineralMan Sep 2018 #130
We agree. TomSlick Sep 2018 #131
Religion is a topic that is open for debate. MineralMan Sep 2018 #132
Wow. Fascinating. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2018 #145
Illustrating one of the poster's points. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #146
Uh-huh. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2018 #154
His point was that cluelessness gets mocked? Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #155
This is you illustrating my observation of the 11th Commandment. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #176
You really should back up your statement. Mariana Sep 2018 #160
You'll never get one. trotsky Sep 2018 #200
Well, it isn't working, apparently. MineralMan Sep 2018 #201
Yes, there is some harsh rhetoric and ridicule in that regard marylandblue Sep 2018 #124
People break the rules here and they get dealt with Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #156
I think criticism on this site goes beyond "outspoken" marylandblue Sep 2018 #157
Do you think that there have been any attemps Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #158
Yes there is that one poster, but I've seen harsh rhetoric directed at others marylandblue Sep 2018 #161
Like this current subthread where a religionist Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #163
I didn't see any harshness and I didn't see him say we were wrecking DU marylandblue Sep 2018 #166
He's said several demonstrably false things in this thread. Mariana Sep 2018 #167
I got the sense he was offering an impressionistic viewpoint rather than any direct quote marylandblue Sep 2018 #168
That is not what he was squawking about. Mariana Sep 2018 #174
People don't distinguish between attacking their cherished ideas and attacking people marylandblue Sep 2018 #184
He wants what most people lurking the internet want. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2018 #187
I hate people marylandblue Sep 2018 #188
Tom said: Mariana Sep 2018 #190
Ok I concede that point. marylandblue Sep 2018 #191
That is false. There is such a place. Mariana Sep 2018 #133
Of course, nobody has posted there since April. MineralMan Sep 2018 #135
I was just correcting TomSlick's false statement Mariana Sep 2018 #137
Some people like a fight, I guess. MineralMan Sep 2018 #140
Same reason humans don't save every bug, or animal from pain and suffering. We are just so Pisces Sep 2018 #127
Some do have that as a goal. MineralMan Sep 2018 #129
This is true, but a very small percentage of religions or mankind as a whole. It is the arrogance of Pisces Sep 2018 #136
I call foul... NeoGreen Sep 2018 #138
Thanks for supplying the numbers. MineralMan Sep 2018 #141
I would, humbly, suggest that the author of post #136... NeoGreen Sep 2018 #151
Very few actively practice harm avoidance. Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #165
That is true, but the principle still exists. MineralMan Sep 2018 #173
Reading stuff like this... Act_of_Reparation Sep 2018 #144
Why? marylandblue Sep 2018 #169
You don't find anything disquieting... Act_of_Reparation Sep 2018 #171
No, I find it metaphorical for the physical universe marylandblue Sep 2018 #172
Why do some people have to experience so much more pain than others? trotsky Sep 2018 #139
Why are some people taller than others? guillaumeb Sep 2018 #193
Random variation and natural selection marylandblue Sep 2018 #194
Genetics. trotsky Sep 2018 #196
We both know he won't. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2018 #197
It's his standard propaganda technique - whataboutism. trotsky Sep 2018 #198
Performance art. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2018 #199
An interesting response. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #192
I don't know why but the effects of suffering are like a gamble. gtar100 Sep 2018 #204
My interpretation of the phrase "allow human suffering" is that guillaumeb Sep 2018 #205
What free will human decision causes earthquakes? marylandblue Sep 2018 #206
Is that the best response you could think of? eom guillaumeb Sep 2018 #207
That was a question, not a response. Do you have an answer? marylandblue Sep 2018 #208
I was serious. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #209
That was my question to you. marylandblue Sep 2018 #210
The commonality is suffering. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #211
The causal mechanisms are different marylandblue Sep 2018 #212
Of course. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #213
Human actors have free will to cause pain to otherhuman actors marylandblue Sep 2018 #214
Human actors have the ability, and the will. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #216
The Creator doesn't have free will? marylandblue Sep 2018 #218
The Creator created, and free will exists in sentient beings. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #219
That doesn't answer the question marylandblue Sep 2018 #220
Now your questions seem designed to avoid dialogue. eom guillaumeb Sep 2018 #221
Not at all. I asked if the Creator has free will. marylandblue Sep 2018 #222
The Creator created. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #223
Sure. marylandblue Sep 2018 #224
Prove that you have free will. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #225
Definition: Free will is the ability to make a choice with no external forces controlling you marylandblue Sep 2018 #226
And does your entire life experience influence your decisions? guillaumeb Sep 2018 #230
Free will isn't 100%, it can be influenced modified etc. marylandblue Sep 2018 #231
No, there is no issue. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #233
The issue is that the Creator created a world with suffering and death marylandblue Sep 2018 #234
Overcrowding? guillaumeb Sep 2018 #235
Omnipotent, remember? marylandblue Sep 2018 #236
No death, no illness, guillaumeb Sep 2018 #237
Not no physical laws. Different laws. marylandblue Sep 2018 #238
Prove ANY ONE of the many statements you have made about your creator. trotsky Sep 2018 #228
Exactly. And that implies (to me) conditions in which we can grow in knowledge through experiences. gtar100 Sep 2018 #215
A very nice reply. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #217
Why do you post these questions and then get dismissive and irritated with the responses? tymorial Sep 2018 #227
I am not looking for conversion. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #229
Who knows why Gil does what he does? Mariana Sep 2018 #232
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