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In reply to the discussion: Indian skeptic faces 3 year prison sentence for explaining dripping crucifix [View all]struggle4progress
(126,647 posts)54. The law can be traced back to 1860, but has been modified slightly several times since, notably
after independence and again in 1961 (somewhat indicated by italics):
IPC § 295A
Deliberate and malicious acts intended to outrage religious feelings of any class by insulting its religion or religious beliefs.-- Whoever, with deliberate and malicious intention of outraging the religious feelings of any class of citizens of India, by words, either spoken or written, or by signs or by visible representations or otherwise insults or attempts to insult the religion or the religious beliefs of that class, shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to three years, or with fine, or with both.
Deliberate and malicious acts intended to outrage religious feelings of any class by insulting its religion or religious beliefs.-- Whoever, with deliberate and malicious intention of outraging the religious feelings of any class of citizens of India, by words, either spoken or written, or by signs or by visible representations or otherwise insults or attempts to insult the religion or the religious beliefs of that class, shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to three years, or with fine, or with both.
So although you describe it as an "anti-blasphemy" law, the statute could also be regarded as a law to limit public disturbances (aiming to prevent the outraging of any class) or as a species of anti-libel law (insofar as construction of the offense requires deliberate and malicious intent). While we in the US do not generally regard "outraging the religious feelings of any class of citizens" as a crime, we do make exceptions to our free speech theories in the case of "clear and present danger" to the public order, and there is no obvious reason to think that what constitutes a "clear and present danger" is the same at all times and places. Moreover, although we in the US of course recognize libel limitations on free speech, the English version of libel law has long differed from the American, and I see no obvious reason to think the American version must always be regarded as superior. The American notion of free speech is certainly in many ways a good thing, though I am unpersuaded that everyone everywhere outside of the US should always adopt your view that outraging people, deliberately and with malicious intent, should be protected
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Indian skeptic faces 3 year prison sentence for explaining dripping crucifix [View all]
cleanhippie
May 2012
OP
Any details? Like, y'know, exactly who was claiming exactly what was a miracle?
struggle4progress
May 2012
#7
Is the author the same Praveen Swami who works for UK's Daily Telegraph?
struggle4progress
May 2012
#10
The Telegraph is very likely to carry "weird news" stories denigrating funny folk in foreign lands
struggle4progress
May 2012
#14
As usual, I take the view that if the story is worth our attention, then we should get details right
struggle4progress
May 2012
#15
Maybe the commentators did not read widely with an eye for discerning the truth:
struggle4progress
May 2012
#16
As water dripping from statutes doesn't much impress me much one way or the other,
struggle4progress
May 2012
#32
The law can be traced back to 1860, but has been modified slightly several times since, notably
struggle4progress
May 2012
#54
Back to the facts now: what evidence do you have that the state has actually taken
struggle4progress
May 2012
#55
I can't determine from the video I've posted how that explanation works:
struggle4progress
May 2012
#37
You do science no honor by asserting you have a scientific explanation
struggle4progress
May 2012
#63
I asked because when I attempted to google the named church on the named road
struggle4progress
May 2012
#39
It seems Edamaruku has been claiming since early April "I may be arrested any moment"
struggle4progress
May 2012
#21
It seems to consist largely of various folk attempting to outscream each other
struggle4progress
May 2012
#24
Churchman on the program repeatedly says that the church is not claiming any miracle here but
struggle4progress
May 2012
#30
I don't remember the color of anyone's underwear being of critical importance to a news story
struggle4progress
May 2012
#41
I haven't read all your links or watched the vids, so pardon me for asking.
LiberalAndProud
May 2012
#38
I think there is much posturing here. And in fact there is so much posturing here
struggle4progress
May 2012
#43
We'll agree on this. I believe Edamaruku is trying to exploit this episode
LiberalAndProud
May 2012
#44
I wish they would caption this, though. A translation would be very helpful.
LiberalAndProud
May 2012
#45
I think if you regard liquid transport in trees as adequately modeled
struggle4progress
May 2012
#64
Oh, there was little point in continuing "discussion" before I posted word one. nt
daaron
May 2012
#65
Well, the Indian law has nothing whatsoever to do with "political correctness"
struggle4progress
May 2012
#48
I've posted a link to his blog, various links to news accounts, and at least one link to TV footage
struggle4progress
May 2012
#71
I posted the text in #54 upthread: it seems to have been last modified around 1960 and has existed
struggle4progress
May 2012
#73