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39. Fascinating! How is it I haven't come across this, before? Thx, dimbear!

Sat Jun 16, 2012, 08:11 AM

Jun 2012

Two things interest me about this tradition: (1) that it may have originated from oral traditions (sim. to Kabbalah) in the 2nd-4th c. CE, the same era that saw a proliferation of Christian texts, most of which were rejected by the councils of Nice (and few of which still exist, since they were considered heresy ever after); and (2) that it places Yeshu in 'The Land' in a period compatible with the 'Christian myth' thesis of the late Dr. Allegro of Copper Scroll fame (less incompat. than the Nicene Bible, at a min.).

Could the oral tradition of "La Vie de Je'sus" be oral history? Does this ancient text validate the primary thesis of the single non-religious scholar on the International Team that translated the Dead Sea Scrolls?

Don't you love it when authors ask leading questions?

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The Jewish Gospels: The Story of the Jewish Christ (Daniel Boyarin | New Press 2012) [View all] struggle4progress Jun 2012 OP

The ascension was added centuries after the cruxifiction KurtNYC Jun 2012 #1

I would certainly question on what basis you make such a statement. I see humblebum Jun 2012 #2

The ascension is not in the oldest versions of Mark and Matthew KurtNYC Jun 2012 #4

The Ascension is only referred to in Luke and Acts, which were written about the same time. humblebum Jun 2012 #5

I don't have answer for why Matthew and Mark don't mention it but it KurtNYC Jun 2012 #6

Again, your opinion is mere speculation. Many reasons can be put forth as humblebum Jun 2012 #7

It is not opinion that the gospels contradict each other KurtNYC Jun 2012 #11

I never said it was and that is another issue. Also, I humblebum Jun 2012 #12

Perhaps it's derived from one of those other ways of knowing you're so fond of. laconicsax Jun 2012 #15

You mean one of those ways you cannot comprehend, therefore humblebum Jun 2012 #16

No, I understand them just fine. Now, would you like to address what I said? laconicsax Jun 2012 #17

Um? Pretty clear you don't comprehend? nt humblebum Jun 2012 #18

Well, then enlighten me. laconicsax Jun 2012 #19

Claims are never "evidence-free" as you suggest. You simply disregard subjective evidence. However, humblebum Jun 2012 #20

You assume that the crucifixion took place in the 1st century AD. laconicsax Jun 2012 #21

Pretty strong subjective evidence to suggest that, certainly stronger than anything humblebum Jun 2012 #22

I'm still waiting for that proof. n/t laconicsax Jun 2012 #23

You never asked for any proof. Only asked if I could prove it. Subjectively and with a humblebum Jun 2012 #24

I'll add specious arguments and circular logic to that list of "other ways of knowing." laconicsax Jun 2012 #27

Always the spin master. Unfortunately, you cannot quite grasp the meanings of humblebum Jun 2012 #28

Whatever you say, humblebum. laconicsax Jun 2012 #29

You also have a habit of "moving the goalposts" as you so often contend. humblebum Jun 2012 #30

Except you didn't provide evidence. laconicsax Jun 2012 #31

Like I intimated before, subjective evidence is something automatically disregarded humblebum Jun 2012 #32

Yes, it is often automatically discarded. Especially by courts. laconicsax Jun 2012 #33

You are confusing yourself. humblebum Jun 2012 #34

Talk about shifting goalposts. laconicsax Jun 2012 #35

You are still confusing yourself. And yes, humblebum Jun 2012 #36

*Yawn* laconicsax Jun 2012 #37

Um? I believe that the shifting the goal posts is out of YOUR playbook, humblebum Jun 2012 #38

I'm not convinced you understand what the words you use actually mean. laconicsax Jun 2012 #42

Always a dodge for diversion nt humblebum Jun 2012 #43

Is it a dodge or is it a diversion? laconicsax Jun 2012 #44

Where did I say or imply that they were the same? humblebum Jun 2012 #45

I never said that you did. laconicsax Jun 2012 #46

Perhaps you misread it. humblebum Jun 2012 #47

Nope, didn't misread it. laconicsax Jun 2012 #48

Yep. You definitely misread it, which is becoming increasingly common with you. humblebum Jun 2012 #49

You realize that you're contradicting yourself, right? laconicsax Jun 2012 #50

you realize you're still doing it, don't you? humblebum Jun 2012 #51

I'll take that as a "no." n/t laconicsax Jun 2012 #52

So, that's a "no." You don't realize it. Gotcha. humblebum Jun 2012 #53

Whatever you say, humblebum. laconicsax Jun 2012 #54

"I'm still waiting for that proof." - that is such a common line with you. Let's see your evidence humblebum Jun 2012 #25

Why should I provide evidence to support someone else's claim? laconicsax Jun 2012 #26

Well, that fell flat as documentary struggle4progress Jun 2012 #9

That one drags a little KurtNYC Jun 2012 #10

Peter Schäfer recently published a through critique in The New Republic. rug Jun 2012 #3

Thanks for that link! struggle4progress Jun 2012 #8

There actually is a Jewish gospel It's not very flattering. dimbear Jun 2012 #13

Fascinating! How is it I haven't come across this, before? Thx, dimbear! daaron Jun 2012 #39

It is an enlightening text, well worth a read, but nobody has heard of it because dimbear Jun 2012 #41

"...common (though not universal) Jewish notions in the pre-Christian and early Christian era." Adsos Letter Jun 2012 #14

One thing all these Jewish messianic traditions had in common --> daaron Jun 2012 #40