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turtlerescue1

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33. Am NOT a Biblical scholar.
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 12:28 AM
Jun 2012

But the instruction manual is that of the Four Gospels. These are written from different perspectives, but still the words are the same from the one they followed.

My closest friend of nearly 50 years likes the fire and brimstone kind of preacher. I grew up in that Lutheran School with one that could rattle the rafters, and all it did was make me fearful, would rather run away than stay and willingly feel that. If I want to be beaten I'ld become a masochist or sadist, never got the two correct.

It was on my own decided to see that I could understand, and the version I use is the one banned in the US and Canada in 1968, figures eh? It does contain the apocrypha and other canonicals. It is also easier than the old King James English. I need one for simpler minds, the Jerusalem Bible fits.

The Old Testament is history and biographies. Few authors were "good" and many were "flawed". I also see that cracked vase being carried along a path, dripping water where it is dry and barren. Enough trips with that cracked vase...

There is always debates about whether the books are "story"level; symbolic level, metaphoric, but the one that is hoped for is the spiritually linguistic.

iWhen I was a small child, dad's dental insurance plan came through, so off to the dentist I was dragged. My sister was a dental nurse, so it wasn't severe trauma, EXCEPT the child's dentist-he didn't actually hit me, but he was pretty rough on a little child. Needless to say it took a lot of years before I wouldn't have a panic attack. It took more than one gentle dentist to overcome what only one had instilled. That likely compares to experiences with religions and churches, one you're burned, you dont' go running back for more of the same.

Yes, I believe each of us are born with a soul, an inner being, usually playful and usually kind, or at least aware of what gentleness is, how it feels and how its given. Its part of the twinkle in someone's eye. Its creativity and apprecation. Its what the Christ tried to teach us in the Sermon on the Mount. YES the one that Fundies prefer to ignore! I cannot give someone my faith; cannot demand they have it; can't divide mine with them.
Still in that is the freedom of choice, and that is a blessing as well.

I wasn't a good Missouri Synod Lutheran, my dad was a Mason and a union man, which has much to do with why he was a Mason, and so was his Dad, not sure about Gramps, but since he had three taverns and a plumbing shop in Des Moines, possibly. (yeah a long line of bad livers as well) BUT even though dad paid for my education in that church school plus the public school taxes, dad couldn't be a member of that church, because he was a Mason. I thought that was wrong. So I didn't fit well. Went to the Methodist church a lot of years. Then stumbled over the ELCA...aha! As me fodder used to say "You've got to find the lid that fits your pot."
Its okay to be a progressive liberal Christian, the one the group is named after certainly was both progressive and liberal.

Perhaps the Fundies have more issues with us than any of those they belittle, condemn and berate- we may be the thorn in their paw. BUT I see them as a thorn, period.

Its okay if you attack my simplistic views, my silly ideas-I've spent years working on them, and they fit me, my mind, my perspectives.

There are others at DU who have solid Biblical knowledge. I can pass in a crowd, if its large enough. I don't know if I helped answer your question, but please don't put me in the same group as those I believe are doing more destruction than good works.

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Which Grimm fairy tale is the most important? edhopper Jun 2012 #1
Ok, I know but I was trying to play nice. SoutherDem Jun 2012 #3
I don't understand this post. Are you shit stirring or asking for a legitimate discussion? cbayer Jun 2012 #4
I wanted a real discussion. SoutherDem Jun 2012 #10
I thought you might want a real discussion, but your replies would indicate something very different cbayer Jun 2012 #13
Well, SoutherDem Jun 2012 #15
I am sorry if I overstepped. cbayer Jun 2012 #16
No problem. SoutherDem Jun 2012 #18
You will find both very open minded and congenial believers and non-believers here. cbayer Jun 2012 #21
The "Old Testament" is composed of three parts: Betsy Ross Jun 2012 #2
Yes, I know there are many divisions. SoutherDem Jun 2012 #7
Ah, there's my answer. cbayer Jun 2012 #8
Am I serious, Yes. SoutherDem Jun 2012 #12
The Turbineguy Jun 2012 #5
the part that makes it right height to stabilize a wobbly table n/t oldhippydude Jun 2012 #6
From what I have seen randr Jun 2012 #9
This was answered by Rabbi Hillel before the New Testament was written . . . Journeyman Jun 2012 #11
It is close, if I may ask a follow up. SoutherDem Jun 2012 #14
I haven't a clue how to answer your questions. . . Journeyman Jun 2012 #17
Thanks for the honest answer. SoutherDem Jun 2012 #19
FWIW, the Old Testament is much more than the Torah. laconicsax Jun 2012 #23
Ah, yes. More commentary . . . Journeyman Jun 2012 #26
Actually, it's mostly embellished history. laconicsax Jun 2012 #27
Have you never read all three of my posts in this sub-thread? . . . Journeyman Jun 2012 #30
Then don't complain when you're corrected on factual matters. n/t laconicsax Jun 2012 #32
Right. Torah's just 1st the 5 books of OT. daaron Jun 2012 #28
words in red are allegedly by the Jesus character, the christ is the raised by witchcraft one nt msongs Jun 2012 #20
The only parts I ever pay any attention to are Proverbs and the NT's red letter parts. kestrel91316 Jun 2012 #22
Thanks for the honest answer. SoutherDem Jun 2012 #34
I am not going to presume to tell christianity what to put in its bible. I'm just kestrel91316 Jun 2012 #40
the four gospels are the only books that matter to me madrchsod Jun 2012 #24
How do you address the contradictions and factual errors? laconicsax Jun 2012 #25
Thanks for the honest answer. SoutherDem Jun 2012 #35
The index. n/t cynatnite Jun 2012 #29
The parts made of paper can be important in the outhouse. nt Speck Tater Jun 2012 #31
Am NOT a Biblical scholar. turtlerescue1 Jun 2012 #33
Thanks for the sincere, honest answer. SoutherDem Jun 2012 #36
to attempt a serious if disinterested answer...it depends dmallind Jun 2012 #37
It is all equally important. jeepnstein Jun 2012 #38
It's the forgotten disclaimer. laconicsax Jun 2012 #39
^This^ mr blur Jun 2012 #42
The Golden Rule. n/t backscatter712 Jun 2012 #41
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