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dmallind

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37. to attempt a serious if disinterested answer...it depends
Wed Jun 20, 2012, 10:27 AM
Jun 2012

A) on whom you ask. Jewish groups differ somewhat in details obviously, but will usually focus on the Torah, then the Prophets and Writings. Traditionally many look on the NT much like Terry Pratchett views fan fiction. Christians will give primacy to the NT and especially the gospels (although Paul gives more details theologically because he was writing to instruct nascent churches rather than speaking to new and potential converts like JC). In the early church there was much debate on how much the OT meant to Christians - even on whether to jettison it entirely once the new sect abandoned the idea of keeping the Abrahamic covenant. It was eventually settled on as important for two reasons. It prophesied, tortuously in many cases, the messiahship they saw in Jesus, and it was clearly important to his own teaching. From almost the start, as Christianity became gentile, much of the law and ritual was abandoned as unimportant now the "new covenant" was in place. The OT was always a handy compendium backup though to whatever churches and individual Christians cared about. Fred Phelps et al are nothing new in picking out bits from the Abrahamic covenant that suits them. Urban's Crusades, the Council of Trent moneygrab, Vatican I etc all treat as central issues mere verses from others they abandon as swept away by Christ. Christians generally use the OT like a bad golfer who can't stand losing uses the Rules of Golf.

B) on what you seek. A "best of Beethoven" view of Christianity as originally envisaged? The red letters work You'll miss out on the violin and viola duets or Bagatelles in Acts and Timothy etc but you'll get the gist of the big symphonies and later string quartets. An insight into the early church as it wrestled with growing pains as a stateless sect straddling Judaism, paganism and something different altogether? The letters are best here - and not just Paul's. A fascinating look at how different folk tales of different groups with different priorities, seeking anything from a conquering rebel general to an outré guru, got amalgamated and edited into - sort of - one story? Read the gospels not linearly but episodically. Find what each says about the nativity (if it does) and read and compare only that part. Then read what each says about the early ministry, the crucifixion, the resurrection, etc. If you want to see how paganism became henotheism became monotheism, read the Torah - in Hebrew if you can but with a concordance handy if you can't and in a non-bowdlerized version even so. The KJV really is best for this purpose as the modern versions tend to pretend the tell-tale pagan remnant plurals and strange vocatives aren't really there.

I am assuming mostly though what you want to get at is which part is most important, to Christians, for forming politically applicable opinions. Frankly that too depends on the priorities the Christian themself has. Pat Robertson whatever can be said of him else, knows his scripture well. So did Albert Schweitzer. I think both made perfectly sincere decisions about what the Bible told them and what was important in it.

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Which Grimm fairy tale is the most important? edhopper Jun 2012 #1
Ok, I know but I was trying to play nice. SoutherDem Jun 2012 #3
I don't understand this post. Are you shit stirring or asking for a legitimate discussion? cbayer Jun 2012 #4
I wanted a real discussion. SoutherDem Jun 2012 #10
I thought you might want a real discussion, but your replies would indicate something very different cbayer Jun 2012 #13
Well, SoutherDem Jun 2012 #15
I am sorry if I overstepped. cbayer Jun 2012 #16
No problem. SoutherDem Jun 2012 #18
You will find both very open minded and congenial believers and non-believers here. cbayer Jun 2012 #21
The "Old Testament" is composed of three parts: Betsy Ross Jun 2012 #2
Yes, I know there are many divisions. SoutherDem Jun 2012 #7
Ah, there's my answer. cbayer Jun 2012 #8
Am I serious, Yes. SoutherDem Jun 2012 #12
The Turbineguy Jun 2012 #5
the part that makes it right height to stabilize a wobbly table n/t oldhippydude Jun 2012 #6
From what I have seen randr Jun 2012 #9
This was answered by Rabbi Hillel before the New Testament was written . . . Journeyman Jun 2012 #11
It is close, if I may ask a follow up. SoutherDem Jun 2012 #14
I haven't a clue how to answer your questions. . . Journeyman Jun 2012 #17
Thanks for the honest answer. SoutherDem Jun 2012 #19
FWIW, the Old Testament is much more than the Torah. laconicsax Jun 2012 #23
Ah, yes. More commentary . . . Journeyman Jun 2012 #26
Actually, it's mostly embellished history. laconicsax Jun 2012 #27
Have you never read all three of my posts in this sub-thread? . . . Journeyman Jun 2012 #30
Then don't complain when you're corrected on factual matters. n/t laconicsax Jun 2012 #32
Right. Torah's just 1st the 5 books of OT. daaron Jun 2012 #28
words in red are allegedly by the Jesus character, the christ is the raised by witchcraft one nt msongs Jun 2012 #20
The only parts I ever pay any attention to are Proverbs and the NT's red letter parts. kestrel91316 Jun 2012 #22
Thanks for the honest answer. SoutherDem Jun 2012 #34
I am not going to presume to tell christianity what to put in its bible. I'm just kestrel91316 Jun 2012 #40
the four gospels are the only books that matter to me madrchsod Jun 2012 #24
How do you address the contradictions and factual errors? laconicsax Jun 2012 #25
Thanks for the honest answer. SoutherDem Jun 2012 #35
The index. n/t cynatnite Jun 2012 #29
The parts made of paper can be important in the outhouse. nt Speck Tater Jun 2012 #31
Am NOT a Biblical scholar. turtlerescue1 Jun 2012 #33
Thanks for the sincere, honest answer. SoutherDem Jun 2012 #36
to attempt a serious if disinterested answer...it depends dmallind Jun 2012 #37
It is all equally important. jeepnstein Jun 2012 #38
It's the forgotten disclaimer. laconicsax Jun 2012 #39
^This^ mr blur Jun 2012 #42
The Golden Rule. n/t backscatter712 Jun 2012 #41
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