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muriel_volestrangler

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18. 'deprives it of much significance' is a subjective opinion
Thu Jun 21, 2012, 05:39 AM
Jun 2012

and, in my own opinion, that's a load of twaddle. There is immense significance in the forces of gravity, electromagnetism and so on; these forces are predictable, understood to an incredible degree, and knock the fields of things like theology or even Chomsky's own work on linguistics into the realm of complete guesswork. It's the understanding of them which forms the basis of modern technology.

These forces may be 'mysterious' to you, but I have a reasonable understanding of them, and physicists a very good one. If your definition of 'mysterious' is "not everyone understands them completely", then, OK, they're mysterious to some. But the failure of some part of the population to understand something does not have 'much significance', as you might say.

It's not that Newton, or anyone else, removed a reasonable idea of 'cause' from the ideas about motion; he corrected the ideas about what happens, and made people realise that it did not all depend on 'matter' directly touching in some form, and that such a claim had never been a decent explanation of things.

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I generally find myself agreeing with Chomsky struggle4progress Jun 2012 #1
Chomsky is a problem for everyone. jeepnstein Jun 2012 #2
is there a positive corollary to prof chomsky's negative argument? tiny elvis Jun 2012 #3
"The 17th century scientific revolution reached its highest peak..." Humanist_Activist Jun 2012 #4
what bends space and time into fields of influence? tiny elvis Jun 2012 #13
Umm...matter does. laconicsax Jun 2012 #14
matter, gravitation are not superior answers to the answer that god did it tiny elvis Jun 2012 #15
They are vastly superior answers. laconicsax Jun 2012 #19
Yes, they are superior muriel_volestrangler Jun 2012 #20
As laconix said, matter does... Humanist_Activist Jun 2012 #16
You can find the quote here; it seems to mean that forces acting at a distance are needed muriel_volestrangler Jun 2012 #5
I like your assessment. daaron Jun 2012 #6
Chomsky recognizes that today's science doesn't exclude action at a distance. Jim__ Jun 2012 #7
A question. eqfan592 Jun 2012 #8
Rather than give my understanding, I'll refer you to 12:20 - 13:00 of the video. Jim__ Jun 2012 #9
He talks about an artisan constructing a physical model muriel_volestrangler Jun 2012 #21
"For Galileo real understanding requires a mechanical model,that is a device that an artisan can ... Jim__ Jun 2012 #22
RE: intelligibility of models in modern physics. daaron Jun 2012 #23
Have you watched the video? Jim__ Jun 2012 #25
I watched the part referred to. daaron Jun 2012 #26
If you want to discuss what Chomsky said, you really need to listen to what he said. Jim__ Jun 2012 #27
Sorry. Didn't realize this was a Chomsky-only thread. Nevermind. nt daaron Jun 2012 #29
He never mentions a lowering of the standard of proof, tho. At least not in that segment or... eqfan592 Jun 2012 #32
Yes, I acknowledged that in post #22. - n/t Jim__ Jun 2012 #33
Ooops, my bad, I missed that. eqfan592 Jun 2012 #34
No problem. Jim__ Jun 2012 #35
Mysterian? skepticscott Jun 2012 #10
u da man tiny elvis Jun 2012 #12
Hm. Either Chomsky doesn't quite understand our common understanding --> daaron Jun 2012 #17
By "common understanding" Chomsky was referring to our innate capabilities. Jim__ Jun 2012 #24
I get it. I just don't get it. daaron Jun 2012 #28
They *thought* that a mechanical model demarcates what we can completely understand muriel_volestrangler Jun 2012 #30
I agree that any claim about the limit of our innate capacities is subjective. Jim__ Jun 2012 #31
Also Einstein tama Jun 2012 #36
Hm. Is there a point in there, somewhere? nt daaron Jun 2012 #37
good digging, ms. v tiny elvis Jun 2012 #11
'deprives it of much significance' is a subjective opinion muriel_volestrangler Jun 2012 #18
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