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LeftishBrit

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18. Is what true - that atheists don't experience grief, or that religious people suspect them of not
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 02:00 PM
Jun 2012

experiencing grief?

Neither is true, in general. Certainly not the first. Indeed, atheists may have more reason for grief, because they do not believe in an afterlife, so to them their loved ones have gone forever, whereas many religious people (not all; it's certainly not a universal belief for religious Jews, for example) do think that they will see their loved ones again in a future existence.

And most religious people do not accuse atheists of being incapable of feeling grief - if anything, they may say the opposite, that atheists don't have a source of comfort in bereavement, as indicated above. Which may be true to some extent, but you can't believe that something is true when you don't, just because it might be comforting.

Gavin Dunbar, of whom I had not previously heard, seems very condescending. Moreover, he is confusing the intrinsic importance of an individual or an experience, with its cause. Perhaps this is partly semantic: the term 'meaning' can be used in English both to refer to the intrinsic nature and importance of something, and to refer to its explanation. But from the point of view of human experience, love and grief do not depend on why your loved ones exist. They depend on the nature of that existence. There are, after all, few stronger bonds than that of a baby to its parent or caregiver, yet a baby is not yet capable of understanding either a religious or a nonreligious explanation for Mummy's existence.

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Do you think it's true, rug? n/t trotsky Jun 2012 #1
No. With some exceptions, no. rug Jun 2012 #2
What are these exceptions? n/t trotsky Jun 2012 #3
"Willfully Ignorant" usually means you know better. rug Jun 2012 #4
So you think it's just plain ignorance to believe that atheists are sub-human monsters... trotsky Jun 2012 #5
That question has to many assumptions to answer. rug Jun 2012 #6
It's the core issue. trotsky Jun 2012 #13
No it isn't. rug Jun 2012 #14
Not even talking about that. I asked you two specific questions that you didn't answer. trotsky Jun 2012 #16
All right, this stops at "childish, petty attempts". rug Jun 2012 #22
Great to hear you'll drop that. trotsky Jun 2012 #25
I'm dropping this discussion. rug Jun 2012 #26
Trouble is, rug, once you join in, mr blur Jun 2012 #39
Frankly, this particular subthread fell apart when he introduced the notion of sub-human monsters. rug Jun 2012 #40
Atheists have a reason to grieve EvilAL Jun 2012 #7
That's a good point. rug Jun 2012 #9
That's the way it should be EvilAL Jun 2012 #10
The argument the minister is making is creepily similar to an argument made by a DU'er here Heddi Jun 2012 #8
^^THIS^^ Goblinmonger Jun 2012 #15
Could you give us the total score at this point? cbayer Jun 2012 #20
WTF? trotsky Jun 2012 #21
Yeah, I can Goblinmonger Jun 2012 #32
1 to 1 then cbayer Jun 2012 #33
It's pretty easy to say that a generic author is right about something Goblinmonger Jun 2012 #34
Ruh oh. 1 - 3 cbayer Jun 2012 #36
Watch out, you're quote-mining rug Jun 2012 #37
Thats how I roll. cbayer Jun 2012 #38
Thanks for those. Goblinmonger Jun 2012 #42
When do you start confronting anti-atheist bigotry like you said you would? Heddi Jun 2012 #43
I have had ONE Christian ask me to explain why I am an Atheist. SoutherDem Jun 2012 #11
I've yet to meet a fellow atheist who thought that reason and virtue mr blur Jun 2012 #12
Nor have I. LeftishBrit Jun 2012 #17
Is what true - that atheists don't experience grief, or that religious people suspect them of not LeftishBrit Jun 2012 #18
The latter. Thanks for your answer. rug Jun 2012 #23
Religion aside, I think the writer mistakes the point of grief dmallind Jun 2012 #19
I don't blame the author for being enraged by this. cbayer Jun 2012 #24
even dogs grieve, ffs. unblock Jun 2012 #27
That's very true. rug Jun 2012 #29
And elephants. cbayer Jun 2012 #30
This looks to me like one of those arguments meant to demean a subgroup rurallib Jun 2012 #28
My wife died...I am an atheist...yet I still grieve...why? Uben Jun 2012 #31
Those arguments are familiar to those who know the history of hatred of Jews. dimbear Jun 2012 #35
Dunbar preaches nonsense intaglio Jun 2012 #41
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