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In reply to the discussion: Where are the good Christians? [View all]
 

cpwm17

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12. That's anecdotal and those "Christians" only represent themselves and their supporters
Fri Jun 29, 2012, 05:06 PM
Jun 2012

Last edited Sat Jun 30, 2012, 12:35 AM - Edit history (1)

- no collective guilt

"Christian" is a name that many people who are inclined to believe in invisible superheroes and other religious trappings give themselves. It has limited meaning (though it does lead some to support many of the evils of the bible when convenient). One person's Christianity is very different than another's Christianity.

Many of the most prominent atheists are some of the most virulent anti-Muslim and anti-Arab bigots you'll find. Here's Hitchens, as told by PZ Myers, at a Freedom from Religion convention:

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2007/10/14/ffrf-recap/

Then it was Hitchens at his most bellicose. He told us what the most serious threat to the West was (and you know this line already): it was Islam. Then he accused the audience of being soft on Islam, of being the kind of vague atheists who refuse to see the threat for what it was, a clash of civilizations, and of being too weak to do what was necessary, which was to spill blood to defeat the enemy. Along the way he told us who his choice for president was right now — Rudy Giuliani — and that Obama was a fool, Clinton was a pandering closet fundamentalist, and that he was less than thrilled about all the support among the FFRF for the Democratic party. We cannot afford to allow the Iranian theocracy to arm itself with nuclear weapons (something I entirely sympathize with), and that the only solution is to go in there with bombs and marines and blow it all up. The way to win the war is to kill so many Moslems that they begin to question whether they can bear the mounting casualties...

...He was asked to consider the possibility that bombing and killing was only going to accomplish an increase in the number of people opposing us. Hitchens accused the questioner of being incredibly stupid (the question was not well-phrased, I’ll agree, but it was clear what he meant), and said that it was obvious that every Moslem you kill means there is one less Moslem to fight you


Fortunately the audience was hostile to Hitchens, but many atheists still love him

Harris, Maher, and Pat Condell (the most popular YouTube atheist) are also extreme bigots, and they're very open about it. Harris, in a less bellicose manner, has also supported genocide against Muslims. Maher (agnostic) has said that the only way to deal with Muslims is through violence. There is a big problem with extreme bigotry among prominent atheists.

I'm an atheist and none of these atheists reflects negatively on me, but only on those atheists that continue to promote them.

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Where are the good Christians? [View all] SecularMotion Jun 2012 OP
Fundies not Christians ,same people that crucified Jesus orpupilofnature57 Jun 2012 #1
fundies call themselves Christians Angry Dragon Jun 2012 #2
tea baggers call themselves patriots... jorno67 Jun 2012 #5
Ah, no no TRUE Christian...eh? mr blur Jun 2012 #6
If you say you are ,you aren't orpupilofnature57 Jun 2012 #13
Problem solved! Goblinmonger Jun 2012 #8
No! orpupilofnature57 Jun 2012 #16
Good question. Shadowflash Jun 2012 #3
"Hate the gays, Mormons and Muslims." .. AND WOMEN, ffs. nt left coaster Jun 2012 #4
I found a great group on Facebook called "The Christian Left". canoeist52 Jun 2012 #7
Thank you ,I'm a leftist Christian. orpupilofnature57 Jun 2012 #17
Me, too Lydia Leftcoast Jun 2012 #21
Better than a Fascist Republican. orpupilofnature57 Jul 2012 #22
Good article. I agree that mainstream religious leaders need to cbayer Jun 2012 #9
Consider the panorama of Christian history. What comes to mind? Is it seriously something like dimbear Jun 2012 #10
So true just like the sack of Baghdad, tens of thousands slaughtered, city a wasteland for years, Leontius Jun 2012 #15
One could consider the "panorama" of Atheist history, too. humblebum Jun 2012 #18
Finally some agreement between the camps. Two wrongs do make a right. dimbear Jun 2012 #19
In fact, there are no separate "camps" when it comes humblebum Jul 2012 #23
Unlikely to be at an Arab-American festival sadly dmallind Jun 2012 #11
That's anecdotal and those "Christians" only represent themselves and their supporters cpwm17 Jun 2012 #12
Meanwhile tens of millions of Christians in the US went about Leontius Jun 2012 #14
Where? Standing next to the good atheists, jews, muslims, hindus and other people of tolerance. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #20
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