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cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
44. So how do we improve it?
Mon Jul 2, 2012, 12:15 PM
Jul 2012

I'm am not tied to my idea, it just one persons thought, nothing more.

But if you agree that something, anything, must change in here for progress to be made, let's make some changes. Let's try something different. Anything.

Unfortunately, Philosophical POV's about religion insist that they have bearing in stopbush Jun 2012 #1
Well, maybe only here on DU, we may be able to do it differently. cleanhippie Jun 2012 #2
That's what religious safe haven groups are for skepticscott Jun 2012 #3
You make a valid point. cleanhippie Jun 2012 #4
There is no need for two "subsets" skepticscott Jun 2012 #12
No, that's what the A/A safe haven group is for. rug Jun 2012 #6
Wouldn't a discussion about religions "impact on society" need empirical evidence cleanhippie Jun 2012 #7
Sure, but not for the beliefs themselves. rug Jun 2012 #9
Sorry, baloney skepticscott Jun 2012 #10
Show me where anyone has claimed an empirical basis for belief. rug Jun 2012 #11
So you're completely ignorant skepticscott Jun 2012 #13
We're discussing this group. Do you have any empirical basis to support your claim? rug Jun 2012 #14
Nice try, but just more goalpost moving skepticscott Jul 2012 #18
Yes, provide more examples. rug Jul 2012 #19
The religious belief that skepticscott Jul 2012 #36
No it's not a claim that is empirically testable. rug Jul 2012 #37
No need to disagree skepticscott Jul 2012 #41
No, you have it wrong. rug Jul 2012 #43
Just BS special pleading skepticscott Jul 2012 #47
Oh, that's very persuasive. rug Jul 2012 #48
Still waiting for you to show that your claim isn't bullshit skepticscott Jul 2012 #49
I'm still waiting for you to provide a single example of anyone here claiming religious belief to be rug Jul 2012 #50
Sheesh, you already tried that dodge skepticscott Jul 2012 #52
I must conclude that you have seen no post in this Group claiming religious beliefs are empirical. rug Jul 2012 #53
I see us as just one big happy family. Schisms always end up badly. n/t dimbear Jun 2012 #5
I wouldn't classify it as a schism, merely a partitioning of the discussion. cleanhippie Jun 2012 #8
This is a marketplace of ideas. A fleamarketplace of ideas. The best fleamarkets are the biggest dimbear Jul 2012 #15
Please will people try to keep this discussion productive and civil muriel_volestrangler Jul 2012 #16
You may be right. cleanhippie Jul 2012 #22
Yes. There are OWOK. humblebum Jul 2012 #17
. cleanhippie Jul 2012 #23
And that, sir, is an excellent idea which I wholeheartedly support (I read your edits) cbayer Jul 2012 #25
So then you are denying that which you have already acknowledged? humblebum Jul 2012 #32
I didn't vote EvolveOrConvolve Jul 2012 #20
Or, you can get a new safe haven group for non believers whose basis for nonbelief is empiricism. rug Jul 2012 #27
I don't understand you EvolveOrConvolve Jul 2012 #28
Empiricism is not the only reason people don't believe. rug Jul 2012 #33
"two points-of-view; the Philosophical and the Empirical" - a more apt division would be humblebum Jul 2012 #21
I can't support this. cbayer Jul 2012 #24
Kudos for the attempt RegieRocker Jul 2012 #26
What you need is somekind of starting point, not perfect, but something to orient by anyway, the one patrice Jul 2012 #29
Let's split RELIGIONS into two groups. Speck Tater Jul 2012 #30
Hopw does one outlaw a belief? cleanhippie Jul 2012 #31
You can't outlaw a belief. Speck Tater Jul 2012 #35
I would place in the first group those that champion Democratic causes which cbayer Jul 2012 #34
What are the causes that "we all agree on?" trotsky Jul 2012 #38
I oppose any changes or splits. trotsky Jul 2012 #39
I don't think I implied any "safe haven" status, merely a distinction between POV's. cleanhippie Jul 2012 #40
I agree about the BS. trotsky Jul 2012 #42
So how do we improve it? cleanhippie Jul 2012 #44
Progress towards what? skepticscott Jul 2012 #45
I agree with this Dorian Gray Jul 2012 #46
TL;DNR Ian David Jul 2012 #51
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