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17. Good research.

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Tue Jul 3, 2012, 01:21 PM

Jul 2012

The best precedents are based on very similar facts.

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Atheist files complaint against Columbia restaurant over church-bulletin discount [View all] rug Jul 2012 OP

I can appreciate the logic. Those who will not tithe to church must tithe to this restaurant. dimbear Jul 2012 #1

LOL struggle4progress Jul 2012 #2

So why not just make Sunday 10% off day? Goblinmonger Jul 2012 #4

Cuz she's hopin folk drivin home after services will think struggle4progress Jul 2012 #8

I find it quite telling that instead of trying to defend this discriminatory policy... trotsky Jul 2012 #11

How about showing your...military ID card? Proof of Senior Citizenship? MADem Jul 2012 #26

Because those aren't federally protected classes protected from discrimination in publicly.... Humanist_Activist Jul 2012 #39

How about Superheroes? MADem Jul 2012 #51

Every one of your posts on this thread scream to the privilege that the religious experience Goblinmonger Jul 2012 #53

You know nothing about my views on this issue so don't pretend you do. MADem Jul 2012 #59

Now go take that privilege and get you 10% off on breakfast. cbayer Jul 2012 #62

I could get my discount with this bulletin, no problem, if I had a mind. MADem Jul 2012 #68

I agree with you. I think they would have accepted anything. cbayer Jul 2012 #69

It's like the clubs here that offer a free drink with a same day sporting event ticket stub ButterflyBlood Jul 2012 #75

Again, a LEGAL promotion isn't comparable to one that violates the Civil Rights Act of 1964. n/t Humanist_Activist Jul 2012 #79

People without a church bulletin are not a protected class under that act ButterflyBlood Jul 2012 #98

You really aren't getting this? pipoman Jul 2012 #207

They aren't asking for a recitation of the shahada (Islam) or the Lord's Prayer (Xtian). MADem Jul 2012 #217

I'm not a lawyer pipoman Jul 2012 #219

If the host/hostess in the restaurant asked the customers, instead of their name and number in their MADem Jul 2012 #222

Carl's Junior gave free burgers to people who wore Spiderman costumes. MADem Jul 2012 #83

Did you read ANYTHING that Humanist_Activist posted about the Civil Rights Act? Goblinmonger Jul 2012 #94

I think they did, and they are ignoring it because it disrupts their narrative of keeping... Humanist_Activist Jul 2012 #134

I feel for you and the frustration Goblinmonger Jul 2012 #144

Yes, and it does not apply. MADem Jul 2012 #158

And you'll be wrong all day, too. eqfan592 Jul 2012 #171

Continue--if "I" must? MADem Jul 2012 #172

Yes, because if a religious test is simple to pass, then it doesn't actually count as a test, right? eqfan592 Jul 2012 #180

No one is requiring faith. They are requiring a piece of paper that you can get from MADem Jul 2012 #189

I wonder how many will buy the costume so they can get one free burger? LiberalFighter Jul 2012 #170

It would be so much easier if they could just print out a picture of Spiderman MADem Jul 2012 #173

It would also be legal that way as well. eqfan592 Jul 2012 #181

It's legal to print out a church bulletin, too. MADem Jul 2012 #186

You'll have to point to where i said printing off the bulletin... eqfan592 Jul 2012 #191

You are NOT being discriminated against. MADem Jul 2012 #198

Ya know, I'll put up with a lot of things... eqfan592 Jul 2012 #211

You were unable to make your case, so that's your solution? MADem Jul 2012 #212

You don't have to be a theist Goblinmonger Jul 2012 #63

You are just wrong. You want a discount? Here's a bulletin for you. MADem Jul 2012 #70

Bingo.... Swede Atlanta Jul 2012 #203

Sorry. No. MADem Jul 2012 #205

You could possibly get one from someone in the parking lot at the restaurant. xmas74 Jul 2012 #228

I'll bet lying would work, too--but some don't want to lie, don't want to download one off the MADem Jul 2012 #235

If you ever really want one xmas74 Jul 2012 #236

You do realize those are completely different circumstances, right? trotsky Jul 2012 #81

Wow, a lot of assuming you're doing there--it's rather amusing how you MADem Jul 2012 #82

If that's how you need to try and dismiss the concerns of a minority, so be it. trotsky Jul 2012 #86

There you go again--making assumptions not in evidence. MADem Jul 2012 #87

I say there's plenty of evidence. n/t trotsky Jul 2012 #90

I'm entirely sure that's not the first time you have been wrong. nt MADem Jul 2012 #92

Certitude is a hallmark of the privileged EvolveOrConvolve Jul 2012 #135

You seem quite certain of that. MADem Jul 2012 #157

Touche EvolveOrConvolve Jul 2012 #210

A business has a right Confusious Jul 2012 #27

Yes it is, Jesus, did they fail to teach about the Civil Rights Act of 1964 in your High School? n/t Humanist_Activist Jul 2012 #40

This message was self-deleted by its author Confusious Jul 2012 #44

Atheists weren't a protect class Confusious Jul 2012 #48

For purposes of law, yes they are, classified under "religion". Humanist_Activist Jul 2012 #54

And atheists can attend church too ButterflyBlood Jul 2012 #76

The question is, why should they have to(to get the discount)... Humanist_Activist Jul 2012 #78

Why should I have to have worn shirt of a local band to get in free to a club a few weeks ago? ButterflyBlood Jul 2012 #96

Not. A. Protected. Class. Goblinmonger Jul 2012 #99

But I thought atheism is not a religion. cordelia Jul 2012 #106

*sigh* Goblinmonger Jul 2012 #118

This is not a discount due to belonging to a religion ButterflyBlood Jul 2012 #149

For fuck's sake, are the religious people on this thread being delibrately obtuse, or do they... Humanist_Activist Jul 2012 #130

I don't hate atheists, and I'm not religious. cordelia Jul 2012 #143

So you didn't even read my response to you Goblinmonger Jul 2012 #145

So atheists are not, to you, equal to religious people legally? Humanist_Activist Jul 2012 #147

Of course atheists are equal to religious people. cordelia Jul 2012 #166

Why are you assuming that the people who disagree with you are religious, or MADem Jul 2012 #199

Because that is the blanket assumption that is always made here. cbayer Jul 2012 #201

I suppose that's as valid as "Because I said so." MADem Jul 2012 #204

It is for the purposes of complaining about providing a piece of paper that is available on the MADem Jul 2012 #159

Actually, they are Confusious Jul 2012 #154

EEOC v. Townley Manufacturing, 859 F.2d 610 (9th Cir.1988) PoliticAverse Jul 2012 #156

not as "christian" as they make you think at townley bandersen Sep 2012 #249

they can just obtain the bulletin without attending the actual service. we, the kids that made up my leftyohiolib Jul 2012 #112

Atheists can bring a church bulletin, too, if they'd like. MADem Jul 2012 #73

Ugh. I've worked tables on Sundays before Scootaloo Jul 2012 #29

my wife`s hell was any women`s lunch in the places she worked ... madrchsod Jul 2012 #34

Let's all laugh at the stupid atheists who are treated differently! trotsky Jul 2012 #3

I really wouldn't call a discount at a restaurant Confusious Jul 2012 #28

Would you react in exactly the same way skepticscott Jul 2012 #35

I usually don't go to restaurants that serve the Sunday crowd Confusious Jul 2012 #36

So do I, so stop comparing this to legally NON-PROTECTED classes, but to for example race... Humanist_Activist Jul 2012 #41

This message was self-deleted by its author Confusious Jul 2012 #45

No it's not comparable because one can not change their race ButterflyBlood Jul 2012 #74

Again with these assertions with no basis in fact, I'm referring to LEGALLY PROTECTED CLASSES... Humanist_Activist Jul 2012 #77

Should people be fired or hired at normal businesses based on their religion or lack thereof... Humanist_Activist Jul 2012 #129

What about lady's night at the local watering hole? pipoman Jul 2012 #208

Something tells me you are not going to get a lot of objection from privileged cbayer Jul 2012 #209

Kids eat free! MADem Jul 2012 #38

Protected vs. Non-Protected classes of people, look it up please, before you make yourself look... Humanist_Activist Jul 2012 #42

I don't think this lawsuit will fly, so we'll see who looks "like a fool." MADem Jul 2012 #49

Again, protected versus non-protected classes... Humanist_Activist Jul 2012 #55

Well, if it will be thrown out, who wins? Not the complainant. MADem Jul 2012 #58

And that would be a possible valid criticism, Humanist_Activist Jul 2012 #65

You continue to fling insult from on high, because your mind is made up. MADem Jul 2012 #66

Oh for crying out loud, you are the one arguing from ignorance, I'm trying, in my own... Humanist_Activist Jul 2012 #131

There you go yet again--don't like my POV, call me ignorant, insufferable, a jackass. MADem Jul 2012 #160

If you read the post a little more carefully, you would see that... trotsky Jul 2012 #161

Well said. (nt) eqfan592 Jul 2012 #162

Yeah, that's how clever people who don't want to be called out on a personal attack parse their MADem Jul 2012 #167

What if I don't have a computer? trotsky Jul 2012 #168

Then you should sue them for discriminating against the computer-impaired. MADem Jul 2012 #174

You insist that there is somehow a difference between checking for crosses... eqfan592 Jul 2012 #169

Get a bulletin from the Church of Free Thought. MADem Jul 2012 #175

Your argument is that an easy test is no test at all. Sorry, but it just doesn't work that way. (nt) eqfan592 Jul 2012 #182

Not a test. You don't have to be a Superhero to have a Spiderman costume. MADem Jul 2012 #188

poor analogy, for reasons that have already been stated. (nt) eqfan592 Jul 2012 #194

Statement of fact: you don't have to be religious to acquire a church bulletin. MADem Jul 2012 #202

Silly complaint, you don't even have to attend church to get a bulletin ButterflyBlood Jul 2012 #5

Why should they have to? Goblinmonger Jul 2012 #6

Why should someone "have to" dress up as Spiderman to get a free burger at Carl's Junior? MADem Jul 2012 #50

You really don't see the difference? Goblinmonger Jul 2012 #52

No, it isn't aimed at "rewarding the religious." That is a leap of faith (snark) you make. MADem Jul 2012 #60

Yep, keep diminishing it Goblinmonger Jul 2012 #64

If you have a printer and an internet connection, you can get the discount. MADem Jul 2012 #67

Yea Goblinmonger, "Get over yourself" EvolveOrConvolve Jul 2012 #71

You can get a discount too, with two clicks of your mouse and a printer. MADem Jul 2012 #72

Yeah, because that's exactly what every atheist wants to do. trotsky Jul 2012 #80

BRANDED in the community!!!! Alice the waitress will come to your table with a branding iron! MADem Jul 2012 #84

I will ask you what I asked s4p. trotsky Jul 2012 #85

My guess(es)? I would bet that their business is woefully slow on Sunday, and MADem Jul 2012 #88

Fascinating how you are growing increasingly aggressive and insulting. trotsky Jul 2012 #89

You continue to invent scenarios that suit your prejudices and biases. MADem Jul 2012 #91

It is from my direct experience in this religious society. trotsky Jul 2012 #93

Why Spiderman costumes? MADem Jul 2012 #176

This was already addressed and dismissed. trotsky Jul 2012 #184

There you go again--using snark and rudeness to try to make a mark! MADem Jul 2012 #185

So to criticize me for "using snark and rudeness to try and make a mark, trotsky Jul 2012 #230

Pointing out your rude conduct and offering a friendly suggestion at ameliorating your MADem Jul 2012 #231

I understand your intention clearly. trotsky Jul 2012 #232

Well, your conclusions are thoroughly inaccurate, but nice talking to you nonetheless. nt MADem Jul 2012 #233

Then how about this: Sunday is 10% off day. Goblinmonger Jul 2012 #95

There is a line between agreeing with what the restaurant does and thinking it should be illegal ButterflyBlood Jul 2012 #97

At least you are the first one to admit they are promoting religion. Goblinmonger Jul 2012 #100

They might be promoting religion, I don't really care ButterflyBlood Jul 2012 #152

+1 nt MADem Jul 2012 #178

What the fuck? So as long as its done to promote religion, discrimination should be legal? Humanist_Activist Jul 2012 #136

No I'm saying it shouldn't be illegal because it's pretty minor and a common type of promotion ButterflyBlood Jul 2012 #151

So now you work for Carl's, and you "know" their traffic is just fine? MADem Jul 2012 #177

Sounds like an open and shut case for discrimination... Humanist_Activist Jul 2012 #7

LOL! struggle4progress Jul 2012 #9

What is so funny about my post, all I see on this thread is people showing their legal ignorance.. Humanist_Activist Jul 2012 #43

You laughers should wait to start laughing after the results of the complaint are known. 2ndAmForComputers Jul 2012 #10

I'll keep you posted. rug Jul 2012 #15

I've seen restaurants making offers like that. Thought this was Columbia, SC! nt raccoon Jul 2012 #12

If it was edhopper Jul 2012 #13

Just imagine the screaming meltdown. n/t trotsky Jul 2012 #14

The Maryland case was interesting struggle4progress Jul 2012 #16

Good research. rug Jul 2012 #17

I'd bring in Turbineguy Jul 2012 #56

Maybe you could just run thru the Seven Words You Can Never Say on Television routine struggle4progress Jul 2012 #57

Lots of people don't go to a service on Sunday - religious and not. cbayer Jul 2012 #18

Ticket stubs are different Goblinmonger Jul 2012 #23

As an Atheist Shadowflash Jul 2012 #32

typical and typically ignored exclusionism aside this is rather a silly complaint. dmallind Jul 2012 #19

How much of a discount? rug Jul 2012 #20

well hell on the off-chance you need vintage fountain pen repair,. how about dmallind Jul 2012 #24

"Give us one fact for charity" rug Jul 2012 #25

bit outside my milieu I'm afraid. Pens yes, MPs maybe. typewriters bit too mechanical for me. Sorry dmallind Jul 2012 #31

That's a funny exchange Renew Deal Jul 2012 #109

Not a chance of winning brooklynite Jul 2012 #21

They don't even have to "stop in" if they're unwilling or lazy. MADem Jul 2012 #214

Atheist files complaint over Lancaster County restaurant's church-bulletin discount (Patriot-News) struggle4progress Jul 2012 #22

You're probably right. But what a life he's had. rug Jul 2012 #30

I wouldn't be surprised if the religion was a shield to get him out of there. MADem Jul 2012 #223

I love that quote Renew Deal Jul 2012 #116

well that`s not going anywhere..... madrchsod Jul 2012 #33

I don't get it. That's just advertisement of the place. 2ndAmForComputers Jul 2012 #47

Nothing stopping the atheist from going to church to get a bulletin. I'm sure humblebum Jul 2012 #37

Indeed there are. 2ndAmForComputers Jul 2012 #46

An atheist can print one out at home from an atheist church. MADem Jul 2012 #61

If only that made a lick of difference. eqfan592 Jul 2012 #163

We're talking about a ten percent discount at a restaurant. That's the topic of this thread. MADem Jul 2012 #164

Thanks for completely avoiding the argument I was making. eqfan592 Jul 2012 #183

I'm not "avoiding" your argument. I'm telling you plainly you have no case. MADem Jul 2012 #190

LOL! You have failed to demonstrate how this isn't a religious test. eqfan592 Jul 2012 #192

Well, actually, I have. Your attempt to distract with a "LOL" doesn't cut it. nt MADem Jul 2012 #206

Putting in the "choose your battles" file........... yellowcanine Jul 2012 #101

The owner said she does not attend church. MADem Jul 2012 #213

And sometimes at the ball park you get a discount coupon for a meal at restaurants. yellowcanine Jul 2012 #102

Is this any different than free tacos for people with a basketball game ticket? Renew Deal Jul 2012 #103

Yes. Protected Class Goblinmonger Jul 2012 #105

Link? Renew Deal Jul 2012 #107

It can be interpreted as extending privilege to churchgoes while placing a burden on non-churchgoers Humanist_Activist Jul 2012 #140

Suppose a business gave a 10% discount to anyone wearing a cross ? PoliticAverse Jul 2012 #155

Nope. There's no requirement that the bulletin be from "your" church, and no religious test. MADem Jul 2012 #215

The Quizno's next to our movie theater used to do this. Pab Sungenis Jul 2012 #104

It would be stupid to not honor the bulletins Renew Deal Jul 2012 #108

That is exactly the point. They want business. cbayer Jul 2012 #110

Why not just offer a discount on Sundays to everyone? trotsky Jul 2012 #113

Well, in our case Pab Sungenis Jul 2012 #115

Then why even require the bulletins? Goblinmonger Jul 2012 #119

Maybe they think the local church is an untapped source of business. Renew Deal Jul 2012 #122

So pay a few bucks Goblinmonger Jul 2012 #123

I think they are trying to generate a pattern--and maybe they DO advertise in the bulletins, as well MADem Jul 2012 #234

Targeted marketing, perhaps? MADem Jul 2012 #216

atheists have poetry on a high school gym wall removed cause it said our heavenly father leftyohiolib Jul 2012 #111

Wow. You really hate minority rights, don't you? Goblinmonger Jul 2012 #120

frivolous lawsuit Green_Lantern Jul 2012 #114

OK, Maybe you'll answer the scenario nobody else wants to. Goblinmonger Jul 2012 #121

this discount didn't exclude anyone based on religion since Green_Lantern Jul 2012 #124

So if it had to be a Christian bulletin, you'd be fine with it? Goblinmonger Jul 2012 #125

unless the intent was target a Green_Lantern Jul 2012 #126

So extending privilege to one group at the exclusion of others isn't discrimination? n/t Humanist_Activist Jul 2012 #133

well if the discount was for Christians only it would be but Green_Lantern Jul 2012 #165

10 % discount isn't enough for me to care amuse bouche Jul 2012 #117

Does the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster have Sunday services? DBoon Jul 2012 #127

interesting Kali Jul 2012 #128

Don't go there, you'll get a shitload of Christians from this thread jumping down your throat... Humanist_Activist Jul 2012 #132

this is (yet another) one of those cases Kali Jul 2012 #137

Please point out the shitload of Christians without knowledge of morals or ethics cbayer Jul 2012 #138

Oh please, they make trivial comparisons that have nothing to do with the issue, then claim... Humanist_Activist Jul 2012 #139

I doubt this is the first restaurant in 48 years to offer such a promotion ButterflyBlood Jul 2012 #150

This case is not a violation of the law... pipoman Jul 2012 #225

Here's the evangelical take on the case. dimbear Jul 2012 #141

I don't see much difference between their religious folks an ours, reading through the comments... Humanist_Activist Jul 2012 #142

This one seems to say explicitly Goblinmonger Jul 2012 #146

Post removed Post removed Jul 2012 #148

"A store is offering a discount or promotion for bringing in a church bulletin. Is that legal?" PoliticAverse Jul 2012 #153

Bus company offers front of the bus seating rights to people who affirm a belief in god. Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #179

Yeah. rug Jul 2012 #187

If by "stupid" you mean appropriate and fitting, then i agree completely. eqfan592 Jul 2012 #193

No, I meant stupid. rug Jul 2012 #195

Stupid and insulting? Wow. Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #196

I have encountered much of it, Warren. rug Jul 2012 #197

The restaurant isn't asking anyone to affirm anything. nt MADem Jul 2012 #200

I didnt say they were. Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #218

No one is asking for anyone to affirm anything in this situation. MADem Jul 2012 #224

Im sorry you dont get why they are very similar. Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #227

There is no "Freedom From Offense" law or regulation. Vote with your feet if you are offended. MADem Jul 2012 #229

That would be illegal religious discrimination ButterflyBlood Jul 2012 #220

But front of the bus seating for a church bulletin would be ok? Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #221

interesting but less than a scandal.... dtom67 Jul 2012 #226

... The co-owner of the restaurant, Sharon Prudhomme told FOX43 numbers are down on Sundays struggle4progress Jul 2012 #237

Why have you ignored all the questions put to you above, trotsky Jul 2012 #238

Restaurant flooded with support after atheist complaint struggle4progress Jul 2012 #240

Further information: struggle4progress Jul 2012 #239

Pennsylvania Human Relations Commission opens investigation per rightwing site: dimbear Jul 2012 #241

That's not really new. rug Jul 2012 #242

The other news is what counts. The restaurant is rewarded for its actions, at least so far. dimbear Jul 2012 #243

By reward, I assume you refer to increased business as a result of the bulletin discount. rug Jul 2012 #244

Increased business as a result of her being called out by a nonbeliever. dimbear Jul 2012 #246

"She faced a fundamentally moral question." rug Jul 2012 #248

My post #239 suggests that the owner was touchy about the complaint at first, and that a rightwing struggle4progress Jul 2012 #245

Self righteousness, principle, what's in a name? dimbear Jul 2012 #247