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LeftishBrit

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107. People have all kinds of beliefs that aren't strongly supported by evidence

Wed Jul 11, 2012, 05:20 AM

Jul 2012

If people try to argue the cause of YEC, transubstantiation, or (as people have done) telepathy or spoon-bending with me, I will certainly argue as to why it's contradicted by the evidence. But for the most part, people don't consider that transubstantiation is scientifically evidence-based. They treat it as a matter of faith. The biggest problem with many YEC people is that they want to have it both ways: they believe in something, through faith, that is contradicted by the evidence and they try to claim that the evidence supports it, and thus distort the evidence and the scientific method. And then insist that schoolchildren should be taught bad science. It is the intrusiveness into science and education that is the big problem with YEC people, and I don't find this so much with most other beliefs.

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How is new earth creationism a more goofy belief than transubstantiation? [View all] Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 OP

It doesn't matter how goofy the dogma looks to outsiders Warpy Jul 2012 #1

This reminds me of another post. rug Jul 2012 #2

LOL, I thought you gave up the habit EvolveOrConvolve Jul 2012 #7

Remember kids; he's always watching.... eqfan592 Jul 2012 #12

Are you posting in a sealed, pressurized cylinder? rug Jul 2012 #41

Just because you can troll, doesn't mean you should troll. eqfan592 Jul 2012 #70

Reading a DU group is not trolling, even if you say it. rug Jul 2012 #73

Are you kidding? trotsky Jul 2012 #21

Reading DU is a hard habit to break. rug Jul 2012 #23

Or trolling a safe haven group for things to try... eqfan592 Jul 2012 #32

It's pretty clear who's trolling what group. rug Jul 2012 #40

Yeah, you posted something Goblinmonger Jul 2012 #44

I reposted an intent to disrupt originally posted in your group. rug Jul 2012 #46

Couple things Goblinmonger Jul 2012 #48

That's three things. rug Jul 2012 #49

Frankly, I don't care what you think about my hosting abilities. Goblinmonger Jul 2012 #50

You're rather persistent for someone who doesn't care. rug Jul 2012 #51

The OP is pointing out what he/she views is an inconsistency. eqfan592 Jul 2012 #55

No, the OP is posting flamebait. rug Jul 2012 #58

If only such evidence existed to substantiate your claim. eqfan592 Jul 2012 #60

There is. Oodles. Look around the thread. rug Jul 2012 #64

Yes, and candy is raining from the skies here. eqfan592 Jul 2012 #66

Now that's just goofy. rug Jul 2012 #68

Not nearly as poetic as calling somebodies point a "crock." eqfan592 Jul 2012 #72

Had you a point, I'd have used another word. rug Jul 2012 #74

Ah, so your unwillingness to acknowledge a point means it doesn't exist. eqfan592 Jul 2012 #75

I am bound by empirical evidence. rug Jul 2012 #77

Oh, you're surely bound by something, rug. eqfan592 Jul 2012 #79

Well said. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2012 #172

How is my op disruptive? Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #81

Explain this: rug Jul 2012 #88

Discussing the fundamental beliefs of Christianity is disruptive? Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #108

Well, let me see. rug Jul 2012 #115

Again, how is discussing the fundamental beliefs of christianity disruptive? Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #138

Because that's not what you're doing. rug Jul 2012 #146

No I asked a question based on an observed thread in GD. Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #150

The only alert I know of about is the one Goblinmonger put on me. rug Jul 2012 #152

If one is going to say mythology is correct and challenge empirical evidence snooper2 Jul 2012 #142

That's all well and good but it's not a playground for coy snark. rug Jul 2012 #147

Good thing for you skepticscott Jul 2012 #175

Shouldn't you be more sensitive? - He's clearly in Agony and is throwing Fits.... xocet Jul 2012 #177

Considering your favorite group, that's rather funny. rug Jul 2012 #180

WOYH...no need to duck...n/t xocet Jul 2012 #182

WKRP rug Jul 2012 #183

No, it isn't.. rug Jul 2012 #178

Because questioning beliefs is problematic - it leads to thinking about said beliefs.... xocet Jul 2012 #176

I have yet to see intellectual rigor displayed in this goup when questionng beliefs. rug Jul 2012 #181

Nice deflection Goblinmonger Jul 2012 #10

I wouldn't expect anything else. Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #16

Considering you confuse Aristotlean physics with Aristotlean metaphysics, you shouldn't. rug Jul 2012 #25

actually no, accident and substance are part of his physics. Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #35

Sure it is. rug Jul 2012 #45

You must have missed the thread here the last time he asked it. rug Jul 2012 #24

I'm not his nanny. Goblinmonger Jul 2012 #30

Then maybe yos should check yout facts before you snark. rug Jul 2012 #39

The fact that you are deflecting the issue Goblinmonger Jul 2012 #42

The fact is I am spotlighting an intent to disrupt. rug Jul 2012 #47

An intent to post a contentious OP does not equate to an intent to "disrupt" in the manner you... eqfan592 Jul 2012 #56

No, it's the product of intellectual curiosity. rug Jul 2012 #59

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! eqfan592 Jul 2012 #61

Read again. rug Jul 2012 #65

Ahhh, I see, so I should just assume from now on that you are only responding to the title... eqfan592 Jul 2012 #67

Or you may move your lips if it helps. rug Jul 2012 #69

Move my lips? To where, exactly? eqfan592 Jul 2012 #71

Why do you go into AA. You're not an atheist. Evoman Jul 2012 #82

He's been banned from there Goblinmonger Jul 2012 #83

The guy spends his time on DU picking through the atheist safe haven. trotsky Jul 2012 #84

I'll gladly compare the volume of my atheist reading to your volume of theist reading. rug Jul 2012 #87

It's good to be proud of one's obsession, I guess... trotsky Jul 2012 #89

The first step is owning up to it. rug Jul 2012 #95

Get over your strange obsession? trotsky Jul 2012 #96

You guys are so snippy. Evoman Jul 2012 #98

You need to change a vowel. trotsky Jul 2012 #99

Lol...thats funny. He's more into atheists than I am. Evoman Jul 2012 #92

It's hard to feel abandoned when you keep coming over. rug Jul 2012 #86

Just out of curiosity....nothing to do with this conversation. Evoman Jul 2012 #93

That's funny, I keep picturing you with a pirate hat. rug Jul 2012 #94

I have a fedora that I call my "Travelling hat". Evoman Jul 2012 #97

Actually I do. rug Jul 2012 #100

Man, I can't stand facial hair. I gotta shave as soon as I get hair. Evoman Jul 2012 #101

I barely comb my hair in the morning. rug Jul 2012 #102

"keep coming over"? So I shouldn't be here. Goblinmonger Jul 2012 #105

You're the one that talked about abandonment. rug Jul 2012 #114

Post removed Post removed Jul 2012 #116

I'm not the one who posted flamebait for the sake of posting flamebait. rug Jul 2012 #118

lol, saying your behaving like a troll for doing what you do... eqfan592 Jul 2012 #119

As a matter of fact, I discussed it at length in this Group. rug Jul 2012 #120

Oh yes, I'm sure you did rug. eqfan592 Jul 2012 #122

It's a question. Since you raised the issue, answer it or scuttle away. rug Jul 2012 #123

Ahhh, even more baiting! eqfan592 Jul 2012 #124

I see you've answered. It's clear you prefer insinuation to discussion. rug Jul 2012 #126

Actually, I prefer not to have my posts alerted on. eqfan592 Jul 2012 #127

Then perhaps you should not make cowardly, unsubstatiated insinuations. rug Jul 2012 #130

I take offense to that! eqfan592 Jul 2012 #131

You mean like this person did here? Goblinmonger Jul 2012 #137

Better luck on your alerts. rug Jul 2012 #148

I find this tactic of yours shameful, rug Goblinmonger Jul 2012 #136

I find cowardly insinuation shameful, Goblinmonger. rug Jul 2012 #151

The comments indicate Goblinmonger Jul 2012 #135

If that's the only reason you can come up with, it's sadder than I thought. rug Jul 2012 #149

You completely misunderstand me. When you use the metaphor "keep coming over" Goblinmonger Jul 2012 #134

And it's pretty bad to take a shit in the commons. rug Jul 2012 #153

nah, it only looks, smells, and tastes like shit. Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #155

I see. You are comparing the Eucharist to shit. rug Jul 2012 #156

well no, I'm claiming that shit can also be transubstantiated. Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #157

I doubt that's what you're saying. rug Jul 2012 #160

Give up this round of "Let's find an alert that sticks" Goblinmonger Jul 2012 #161

Between us, the only one who alerted in this thread is you. rug Jul 2012 #162

You think I alerted on eqfan592's post? Goblinmonger Jul 2012 #163

"Most people in Meta agreed with me" rug Jul 2012 #164

Oh, please. Goblinmonger Jul 2012 #165

Lol, you're flailing. rug Jul 2012 #166

Whatever gets you through the night. n/t Goblinmonger Jul 2012 #167

It's not flailing. rug Jul 2012 #169

It is a miracle. Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #170

Why shouldn't I? It's DU. rug Jul 2012 #85

No. I don't give a shit what you do. Just strikes me as weird. Evoman Jul 2012 #91

A slight correction LARED Jul 2012 #3

Don't stop him, he's on a roll. rug Jul 2012 #4

Well not quite. Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #5

There's no overlap between the churches that teach young earth creationism and the Lydia Leftcoast Jul 2012 #37

That might be true, but how is it relevant? Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #109

it isn't Skittles Jul 2012 #6

Yes. Thank you. PDJane Jul 2012 #8

it would be OK if they kept it to themselves Skittles Jul 2012 #9

+80,152 Angry Dragon Jul 2012 #14

Gotta love Christianity's ritual cannibalism and vampirism of their deity! backscatter712 Jul 2012 #11

That is very rude. Go back to ridiculing creationism. Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #17

Don't forget Christians use an execution device as their primary symbol, backscatter712 Jul 2012 #29

And that's not even the core doctrine... Scootaloo Jul 2012 #78

That's only the Catholic Church, not all of "mainstream Christianity" ButterflyBlood Jul 2012 #13

Yes just eastern and western catholic churches and some Anglicans. Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #15

Call it magic, call it what you want. cordelia Jul 2012 #20

I go to a Vineyard church, which believes in memorialism ButterflyBlood Jul 2012 #36

The Catholic Church isn't mainstream? trotsky Jul 2012 #18

On this very board, there is someone who implores everyone else to respect the beliefs of others... trotsky Jul 2012 #19

+1,000,000 Goblinmonger Jul 2012 #31

People here have no problem ridiculing scientology, attacking all of its believers, etc. Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #34

It isn't. In fact it's even less goofy than transubstantiation, mr blur Jul 2012 #22

Well, it looks like this OP has achieved its intended result. rug Jul 2012 #26

Asking this as an atheist - why jeer at other beliefs? djean111 Jul 2012 #27

Because they do try to force those beliefs on everybody else. backscatter712 Jul 2012 #33

Who's forcing a consecrated wafer down your throat? rug Jul 2012 #43

The religious right, and you damned well know it. eqfan592 Jul 2012 #113

The religious right is forcing a consecrated wafer down your throat? rug Jul 2012 #117

Wow, you really are only capable of responding to the titles of posts. eqfan592 Jul 2012 #121

Considering this flamebait OP is about transubstantiation, rug Jul 2012 #125

If only your reply was to the OP, your question may have merit. eqfan592 Jul 2012 #128

Oh, tedious bullshit. rug Jul 2012 #129

Tedious bullshit you brought down on yourself. eqfan592 Jul 2012 #132

Nothing has been brought down on me. rug Jul 2012 #133

Tell me, who's forcing those beliefs down on you. If it's on TV, change the channel...if they come demosincebirth Jul 2012 #104

Wow, really? eqfan592 Jul 2012 #112

What ever. Your bigotry for religion is well shown by your statements nt. demosincebirth Jul 2012 #139

That word. I don't think it means what you think it means. n/t Goblinmonger Jul 2012 #140

because we would like to have a planet that isn't driven by thousands year old mythology snooper2 Jul 2012 #143

I Think You Should Start Out by Observing On the Road Jul 2012 #28

Legalism is goofy. jeepnstein Jul 2012 #38

They are the same. A professed belief in a group's goofy beliefs is a way to show group loyalty. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2012 #52

yeah it does seem to me to be a game. Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #144

Quantum Physics? Transubstantiation seems less goofy than creationism if we consider.... Moonwalk Jul 2012 #53

"woo is not explained by invoking the magic phrase 'quantum physics'" - the Chopra Rule. Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #145

Granted, and I thank you for reminding me of that--however, Woo would seem to be explained here... Moonwalk Jul 2012 #159

Transubstantiation is a flatout one event only acceptance of magic. It isn't testable. dimbear Jul 2012 #54

You're suggesting that it isn't possible to test transubstantiation of this sort? eqfan592 Jul 2012 #57

Are there experiments to show that 'mystical equivalences' can be false? dimbear Jul 2012 #62

lol, no trouncing is forth coming. eqfan592 Jul 2012 #63

No one is teaching transubstantiation as science rox63 Jul 2012 #76

So your argument is creationism is only OK to laugh at because... eqfan592 Jul 2012 #80

People are welcome to whatever spiritual beliefs they want to believe rox63 Jul 2012 #90

People have all kinds of beliefs that aren't strongly supported by evidence LeftishBrit Jul 2012 #107

This thread begs for a "Religious goofyness rating system". JoePhilly Jul 2012 #103

Excellent idea. Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #111

Use a logarithmic scale, like the Richter index. n/t dimbear Jul 2012 #179

While I personally believe in neither, the crucial difference is... LeftishBrit Jul 2012 #106

Well that is indeed a substantial difference. Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #110

I don't disagree with that at all ButterflyBlood Jul 2012 #168

I don't think I've ever said... Iggo Jul 2012 #141

If you change the word Dogma to Dog Mess, it makes more sense. Zen Democrat Jul 2012 #154

Transubstantiation is the more goofy. I can actually participate in experiments, SDjack Jul 2012 #158

No one really seems serious about this question but what the hell MattBaggins Jul 2012 #171

Which is sort of the point. An 8 year old can figure this out. Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #173

Well, 8 years olds skepticscott Jul 2012 #174