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Trillo

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6. Are (some) Christians misidentifying themselves as Christians?

Sat Jul 14, 2012, 12:29 PM

Jul 2012

I'm glad you posted this in the religion forum. I wanted to respond the other day, but felt GD was an inappropriate place for the following comment.

I presume the abusive woman who uses the shock collar, which she defends herself by saying the bible says such punishment is okay, refers to the idea summarized as "spare the rod, spoil the child". I find it very curious that folks like her believe they're Christians.

The corresponding verse in the bible is said to be in Proverbs. Proverbs is in the Old Testament. So, if the woman abuser was referring to the idea of punishment being biblical, then she needs to realize she's not resonating to the idea of forgivenness of sins, but instead punishment for sins.

So, here's my question for the Religion forum. Is the bible so over-complicated that some people who have read it, and claim to accept it, cannot distinguish between the Old and New Testaments, and thus misidentify themselves as Christians?

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The Gospel of Marquis de Sade? CanonRay Jul 2012 #1

Never, cin63 Jul 2012 #2

Oh Lordy. Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #9

Sounds like you never read the Bible, story of Abraham anyone? n/t Humanist_Activist Jul 2012 #16

Just because they claim they were following the Bible, does not mean that they were. Craig_Langford Jul 2012 #3

I must have missed the part about shock collars in the bible. cbayer Jul 2012 #4

The rod is the preferred tool in the bible for abusing a child. cleanhippie Jul 2012 #143

What stands out to me is Kookaburra Jul 2012 #5

Where was the social worker? mzteris Jul 2012 #115

Hmm. Adopted daughter, wouldn't have a social worker. Foster kid would. dimbear Jul 2012 #121

there should be follow up on the adoption. mzteris Jul 2012 #130

Are (some) Christians misidentifying themselves as Christians? Trillo Jul 2012 #6

I don't think the bible has anything to do with it. cbayer Jul 2012 #7

Horseshit skepticscott Jul 2012 #13

If that were true this would be occurring thousands of times a day. rug Jul 2012 #17

By your logic skepticscott Jul 2012 #23

Some subset of Christians? rug Jul 2012 #24

Where have I ever said skepticscott Jul 2012 #27

"the argument that bad people will simply be bad and will find any excuse to justify it"- That humblebum Jul 2012 #44

If you have evidence that these people skepticscott Jul 2012 #54

"Mother Pleads Guilty After Gluing Daughter's Hands to Wall" - Tell me. Do humblebum Jul 2012 #50

Who ever said they didn't? skepticscott Jul 2012 #55

I have no problem acknowledging that good people sometimes just do good things. Happens humblebum Jul 2012 #69

Very often, people hold an unconscious personal default unversal truth, and project it lindysalsagal Jul 2012 #135

It does happen thousands of times a day intaglio Jul 2012 #123

That's three, not thousands. rug Jul 2012 #124

Oh, c'mon Rug. You know you can pick out the houses of Christians by the cbayer Jul 2012 #125

Those are three who encourage and enable many others intaglio Jul 2012 #137

I am continually mystified by this myself Tumbulu Jul 2012 #8

All "Christians" cherry pick skepticscott Jul 2012 #14

Well, that's not was I was taught at Catholic school back in the 60's and 70's. Tumbulu Jul 2012 #18

What, you don't believe that Jesus said that? skepticscott Jul 2012 #20

And there is nothing wrong with that. cbayer Jul 2012 #22

Then why will no one on this board skepticscott Jul 2012 #25

I just purchased a book from the Smithsonian Tumbulu Jul 2012 #38

Which yet again skepticscott Jul 2012 #41

I just paid $35 to buy this book Tumbulu Jul 2012 #47

You'll find that skepticscott Jul 2012 #53

so what is dodgy about my response- I have only begun the book Tumbulu Jul 2012 #67

It's a common practice by some to make other posters Leontius Jul 2012 #70

It's an even more common practice skepticscott Jul 2012 #74

No I do not, I am new to this group and so far Tumbulu Jul 2012 #77

Welcome to the religion group, tumbulu. cbayer Jul 2012 #79

Thanks Tumbulu Jul 2012 #83

Yes, it is easy skepticscott Jul 2012 #147

What I know is not the point Leontius Jul 2012 #86

So be the change, Leontius, and stop flinging crap. cleanhippie Jul 2012 #144

So why do you continue the practice? cleanhippie Jul 2012 #142

It was the second skepticscott Jul 2012 #73

My answer to your question # 25 is that I do not know Tumbulu Jul 2012 #80

What Jefferson said: I TOO AM AN EPICUREAN. Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #90

Thanks Warren Tumbulu Jul 2012 #119

And now you cherry pick as well. When the adulterous woman was brought to Jesus think Jul 2012 #39

So you're admitting not only skepticscott Jul 2012 #40

Human reason and experience and the moral principles humblebum Jul 2012 #49

Not surprisingly, you don't grasp the difference skepticscott Jul 2012 #52

You are correct. I cherry pick, you cherry pick, believers and non believers cherry pick think Jul 2012 #61

Welcome to the religion group, think. cbayer Jul 2012 #65

Thank you cbayer /nt think Jul 2012 #66

You started off with a falsehood and went downhill from there skepticscott Jul 2012 #72

Who keeps posting "see post 31" for those cherry picked bible verses? think Jul 2012 #78

And, as expected skepticscott Jul 2012 #82

I will enjoy my stay and perhaps you will too. think Jul 2012 #103

As I noted to another poster skepticscott Jul 2012 #106

You win Scott. I give up...... think Jul 2012 #108

That's not one of the lies that I recall believing existed. Trillo Jul 2012 #43

Guess what? You are cherry picking. NT humblebum Jul 2012 #45

you say that was "...Christ's message." As if, humblebum Jul 2012 #46

Plenty more in Post 31 skepticscott Jul 2012 #56

Um? Those are not your quotes. Nonetheless, they are powerful words and were said for a humblebum Jul 2012 #68

This is the post you refer me to where I am to find your substantive talking points? think Jul 2012 #104

Far be it from me skepticscott Jul 2012 #148

The OT is a part of Christian history and heritage and I don't think Jesus ever said Leontius Jul 2012 #89

They are Christians skepticscott Jul 2012 #12

Ok, here's your error JNelson6563 Jul 2012 #59

Nope. No help at all. cordelia Jul 2012 #64

Don't take my word for it JNelson6563 Jul 2012 #76

How do you choose which biblical "morals" to follow and which to ignore? EvolveOrConvolve Jul 2012 #87

"spare the rod, spoil the child". I find it very curious that folks like her believe... OriginalGeek Jul 2012 #138

I'm really sad about what happened to you and it happens all too frequently. cbayer Jul 2012 #139

Thanks and yep OriginalGeek Jul 2012 #140

believing myths, superstition, and fairy tales can lead to this sort of thing nt msongs Jul 2012 #10

So can being straight up sadistic, drug/alcohol addicted or a victim of abuse yourself. cbayer Jul 2012 #11

And your point is what? skepticscott Jul 2012 #15

At least you agree with the point. cleanhippie Jul 2012 #145

I see the good ol' double standard apologists are out in force dmallind Jul 2012 #19

It's a tricky thing, translating old texts: struggle4progress Jul 2012 #21

Translation is not the only issue skepticscott Jul 2012 #26

Since you asked, here are some other issues: struggle4progress Jul 2012 #30

It doesn't matter whether the biblical justification ..... Swede Atlanta Jul 2012 #28

Sorry, maybe you didn't get the memo skepticscott Jul 2012 #34

+1 nt mr blur Jul 2012 #36

... xchrom Jul 2012 #29

There is plenty of hateful stuff in the New Testament. Manifestor_of_Light Jul 2012 #31

Shouldn't you provide a citation for this? cbayer Jul 2012 #32

The citation is Jesus skepticscott Jul 2012 #33

Lol, an atheist apologetics website. rug Jul 2012 #58

Yes, how dare they skepticscott Jul 2012 #60

The point is not quote mining-the Bible. rug Jul 2012 #62

No one said it was skepticscott Jul 2012 #85

If you adhere to the view that there are "subsets" of Christians, rug Jul 2012 #88

Irrelevant non-answer skepticscott Jul 2012 #91

Fine example of critical thinking. rug Jul 2012 #92

When you provide something skepticscott Jul 2012 #97

If I provide something that desreves thought, rug Jul 2012 #101

Wow. He didn't desreve that. PassingFair Jul 2012 #127

I'm just a meanie. rug Jul 2012 #128

Yeah how dare they quote Jesus directly from the Bible???? Manifestor_of_Light Jul 2012 #109

You seem to have a habit of calling things what they are. 2ndAmForComputers Jul 2012 #110

Thanks. I think and then I get in trouble. Manifestor_of_Light Jul 2012 #122

Quote, yes, understand, don't even have a clue Leontius Jul 2012 #129

Oh I don't understand what I am posting?? Manifestor_of_Light Jul 2012 #141

Cherry picking. cordelia Jul 2012 #42

See skepticscott Jul 2012 #57

I did. Cherry picking. cordelia Jul 2012 #63

Oh, please then skepticscott Jul 2012 #75

So, someone - not you - posts items from the New Testament found on cordelia Jul 2012 #93

Keep repeating that if it makes you feel better skepticscott Jul 2012 #98

The "good" is completely irrelevant Bradical79 Jul 2012 #126

That quote is referenced by people who have trouble with metaphors ButterflyBlood Jul 2012 #136

Just move on and look ahead just1voice Jul 2012 #35

I'm a little shocked that any Christian would doubt the authority of the OT: dimbear Jul 2012 #37

so do you think intercropping is a mortal sin? Tumbulu Jul 2012 #48

This is the place where believers and nonbelievers come together in peace and good comradeship. dimbear Jul 2012 #51

Do you really have a purpose? Leontius Jul 2012 #71

To get people to think. dimbear Jul 2012 #94

An excellent purpose Leontius Jul 2012 #95

Why do you assume skepticscott Jul 2012 #96

Where did I say atheists? Leontius Jul 2012 #99

"most atheists used to be religious? Far more than religious people who used to be atheists" - humblebum Jul 2012 #100

Do you really have a purpose? cleanhippie Jul 2012 #146

So, the questions are: profitable, specifically how? reproof, specifically how? correction, ... patrice Jul 2012 #84

There were no JustAnotherGen Jul 2012 #81

The Bible is not history. PDJane Jul 2012 #102

Prove it. nt humblebum Jul 2012 #105

It features sticks magically turning into snakes. That is fantasy. Hence, not history. 2ndAmForComputers Jul 2012 #107

Prove it. Could it not be history of a magic trick being performed, or if indeed humblebum Jul 2012 #111

You know, I understand you much more now. 2ndAmForComputers Jul 2012 #112

Good. So do you think that objective, empirical evidence is NOT necessary to humblebum Jul 2012 #113

It's nice to know that Batman may exist after all! 2ndAmForComputers Jul 2012 #114

If there were several supposed eyewitness accounts of a Batman existing, then the probability humblebum Jul 2012 #118

you know "eyewitness testimony" mzteris Jul 2012 #131

"That's all "religion" is." - that's also nothing more than a personal opinion humblebum Jul 2012 #133

Not really, no., but mzteris Jul 2012 #134

The astronomy is pretty realistic, tho. Reversing the rotation of the earth for a few hours, for dimbear Jul 2012 #116

PROVE IT DIDN'T HAPPEN!!1111!!!111!! 2ndAmForComputers Jul 2012 #117

Have you ever read Tacitus or Livy or Sallust or any of the ancient histories? Leontius Jul 2012 #132

The adopted child was forced to dig ditches in the hot sun while the natural children watched idly. dimbear Jul 2012 #120