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61. You are correct. I cherry pick, you cherry pick, believers and non believers cherry pick
Sun Jul 15, 2012, 10:29 AM
Jul 2012

So you choose not to believe. Should others believe like you do because it is what you believe?

Do you have any concerns that your words and actions might be misconstrued or intentionally misrepresented so as to cause harm? Should we blame rock stars for the kids that kill themselves after listening to their music? Even a non religion is in itself a religion.

The bible is written by man and man at a very early stage in his evolution. (Here I go cherry picking and choosing to believe in both evolution and in God. My bad.) Man did his best to interpret the things of God and then a king had these interpretations put in a written manuscript. (Yes, I'm sure the king and his scribes cherry picked too.)

Basically I'm no fan of religion but I like good teachers. Though Christ refused to even allow himself to be called "good teacher" and submitted that only God is good. Christ spent the majority of his time chastising those in power in Jewish society for upholding the law for the wrong purposes.

As He put it "You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel" http://bible.cc/matthew/23-24.htm . In other words the Jewish priests and lawyers would follow even the tiniest of the laws and hold those guilty of those minor infractions punished. By doing this they in their lust for power, control, and self importance ignored the greater law of love.

So basically even a non believer who reads these passages and understands the context sees how people of power as you say "cherry pick" the laws of God to control the masses for their own benefit and/or self righteous indignation.

Even one of the most self righteous upholders of the law; a Jewish Pharisee named Saul who was later called St.Paul, who murdered Christians for their corruption of the law by believing in Christ, finally saw the light.

Although I have my contentions with some of the teachings of St. Paul (cherry picking), he said this: "He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant--not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life." http://bible.cc/2_corinthians/3-6.htm

The above is not part of the simple message but aimed at those that require the entirety of the law trump the true intent for why the law was created and existed.

Through out the bible God uses losers like Paul to carry His message. Paul was a murderer, Moses a murderer also. You can find adulterers, thieves, and others guilty of grave sins who were still used as instruments of God despite their serious short comings.

No the bible isn't perfect nor the people who wrote, translated, and compiled the texts. But there are some great lessons and teachings in the bible if one chooses to see them as such.

But to make the bible, God, and Jesus out as shitty examples of how to live one's life is a bit of an over reach. I agree many get the teachings wrong. And everyone cherry picks both believers and non believers. But many understand the main concept and gain insights from the teachings and lessons found within these texts.

Personally I think man is evolving quickly and unfortunately our comprehension of the bible's meaning and God's intent for man has not. When people want the Ten Commandments written on the wall rather than the law as given or interpreted by Jesus, that is a big step backwards. (IMO)

Here is how I cherry pick the law as given by Jesus:

Love your Lord God with all your heart, strength, soul, and mind (I have never been able to fulfill this law)
Love your neighbor as yourself (I've failed this one often)
Love your enemy also (Failed this one way too many times and still do)
Love covers a multitude of sins.

Could one state these things and ignore the rest? Yes, but the rest of the story gives context, examples, and lessons to help people understand why love and being nice is important.

Even if you don't believe in Christ and/or God you will need a framework to help teach morality. So far you suggest only that we can do it without the baggage of Christ. I'd love to see your framework. Will it be perfect and not misconstrued? Or will man just instinctively evolve to include morality in his decision process? I highly doubt it.

Sorry for the long diatribe....

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The Gospel of Marquis de Sade? CanonRay Jul 2012 #1
Never, cin63 Jul 2012 #2
Oh Lordy. Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #9
Sounds like you never read the Bible, story of Abraham anyone? n/t Humanist_Activist Jul 2012 #16
Just because they claim they were following the Bible, does not mean that they were. Craig_Langford Jul 2012 #3
I must have missed the part about shock collars in the bible. cbayer Jul 2012 #4
The rod is the preferred tool in the bible for abusing a child. cleanhippie Jul 2012 #143
What stands out to me is Kookaburra Jul 2012 #5
Where was the social worker? mzteris Jul 2012 #115
Hmm. Adopted daughter, wouldn't have a social worker. Foster kid would. dimbear Jul 2012 #121
there should be follow up on the adoption. mzteris Jul 2012 #130
Are (some) Christians misidentifying themselves as Christians? Trillo Jul 2012 #6
I don't think the bible has anything to do with it. cbayer Jul 2012 #7
Horseshit skepticscott Jul 2012 #13
If that were true this would be occurring thousands of times a day. rug Jul 2012 #17
By your logic skepticscott Jul 2012 #23
Some subset of Christians? rug Jul 2012 #24
Where have I ever said skepticscott Jul 2012 #27
"the argument that bad people will simply be bad and will find any excuse to justify it"- That humblebum Jul 2012 #44
If you have evidence that these people skepticscott Jul 2012 #54
"Mother Pleads Guilty After Gluing Daughter's Hands to Wall" - Tell me. Do humblebum Jul 2012 #50
Who ever said they didn't? skepticscott Jul 2012 #55
I have no problem acknowledging that good people sometimes just do good things. Happens humblebum Jul 2012 #69
Very often, people hold an unconscious personal default unversal truth, and project it lindysalsagal Jul 2012 #135
It does happen thousands of times a day intaglio Jul 2012 #123
That's three, not thousands. rug Jul 2012 #124
Oh, c'mon Rug. You know you can pick out the houses of Christians by the cbayer Jul 2012 #125
Those are three who encourage and enable many others intaglio Jul 2012 #137
I am continually mystified by this myself Tumbulu Jul 2012 #8
All "Christians" cherry pick skepticscott Jul 2012 #14
Well, that's not was I was taught at Catholic school back in the 60's and 70's. Tumbulu Jul 2012 #18
What, you don't believe that Jesus said that? skepticscott Jul 2012 #20
And there is nothing wrong with that. cbayer Jul 2012 #22
Then why will no one on this board skepticscott Jul 2012 #25
I just purchased a book from the Smithsonian Tumbulu Jul 2012 #38
Which yet again skepticscott Jul 2012 #41
I just paid $35 to buy this book Tumbulu Jul 2012 #47
You'll find that skepticscott Jul 2012 #53
so what is dodgy about my response- I have only begun the book Tumbulu Jul 2012 #67
It's a common practice by some to make other posters Leontius Jul 2012 #70
It's an even more common practice skepticscott Jul 2012 #74
No I do not, I am new to this group and so far Tumbulu Jul 2012 #77
Welcome to the religion group, tumbulu. cbayer Jul 2012 #79
Thanks Tumbulu Jul 2012 #83
Yes, it is easy skepticscott Jul 2012 #147
What I know is not the point Leontius Jul 2012 #86
So be the change, Leontius, and stop flinging crap. cleanhippie Jul 2012 #144
So why do you continue the practice? cleanhippie Jul 2012 #142
It was the second skepticscott Jul 2012 #73
My answer to your question # 25 is that I do not know Tumbulu Jul 2012 #80
What Jefferson said: I TOO AM AN EPICUREAN. Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #90
Thanks Warren Tumbulu Jul 2012 #119
And now you cherry pick as well. When the adulterous woman was brought to Jesus think Jul 2012 #39
So you're admitting not only skepticscott Jul 2012 #40
Human reason and experience and the moral principles humblebum Jul 2012 #49
Not surprisingly, you don't grasp the difference skepticscott Jul 2012 #52
You are correct. I cherry pick, you cherry pick, believers and non believers cherry pick think Jul 2012 #61
Welcome to the religion group, think. cbayer Jul 2012 #65
Thank you cbayer /nt think Jul 2012 #66
You started off with a falsehood and went downhill from there skepticscott Jul 2012 #72
Who keeps posting "see post 31" for those cherry picked bible verses? think Jul 2012 #78
And, as expected skepticscott Jul 2012 #82
I will enjoy my stay and perhaps you will too. think Jul 2012 #103
As I noted to another poster skepticscott Jul 2012 #106
You win Scott. I give up...... think Jul 2012 #108
That's not one of the lies that I recall believing existed. Trillo Jul 2012 #43
Guess what? You are cherry picking. NT humblebum Jul 2012 #45
you say that was "...Christ's message." As if, humblebum Jul 2012 #46
Plenty more in Post 31 skepticscott Jul 2012 #56
Um? Those are not your quotes. Nonetheless, they are powerful words and were said for a humblebum Jul 2012 #68
This is the post you refer me to where I am to find your substantive talking points? think Jul 2012 #104
Far be it from me skepticscott Jul 2012 #148
The OT is a part of Christian history and heritage and I don't think Jesus ever said Leontius Jul 2012 #89
They are Christians skepticscott Jul 2012 #12
Ok, here's your error JNelson6563 Jul 2012 #59
Nope. No help at all. cordelia Jul 2012 #64
Don't take my word for it JNelson6563 Jul 2012 #76
How do you choose which biblical "morals" to follow and which to ignore? EvolveOrConvolve Jul 2012 #87
"spare the rod, spoil the child". I find it very curious that folks like her believe... OriginalGeek Jul 2012 #138
I'm really sad about what happened to you and it happens all too frequently. cbayer Jul 2012 #139
Thanks and yep OriginalGeek Jul 2012 #140
believing myths, superstition, and fairy tales can lead to this sort of thing nt msongs Jul 2012 #10
So can being straight up sadistic, drug/alcohol addicted or a victim of abuse yourself. cbayer Jul 2012 #11
And your point is what? skepticscott Jul 2012 #15
At least you agree with the point. cleanhippie Jul 2012 #145
I see the good ol' double standard apologists are out in force dmallind Jul 2012 #19
It's a tricky thing, translating old texts: struggle4progress Jul 2012 #21
Translation is not the only issue skepticscott Jul 2012 #26
Since you asked, here are some other issues: struggle4progress Jul 2012 #30
It doesn't matter whether the biblical justification ..... Swede Atlanta Jul 2012 #28
Sorry, maybe you didn't get the memo skepticscott Jul 2012 #34
+1 nt mr blur Jul 2012 #36
... xchrom Jul 2012 #29
There is plenty of hateful stuff in the New Testament. Manifestor_of_Light Jul 2012 #31
Shouldn't you provide a citation for this? cbayer Jul 2012 #32
The citation is Jesus skepticscott Jul 2012 #33
Lol, an atheist apologetics website. rug Jul 2012 #58
Yes, how dare they skepticscott Jul 2012 #60
The point is not quote mining-the Bible. rug Jul 2012 #62
No one said it was skepticscott Jul 2012 #85
If you adhere to the view that there are "subsets" of Christians, rug Jul 2012 #88
Irrelevant non-answer skepticscott Jul 2012 #91
Fine example of critical thinking. rug Jul 2012 #92
When you provide something skepticscott Jul 2012 #97
If I provide something that desreves thought, rug Jul 2012 #101
Wow. He didn't desreve that. PassingFair Jul 2012 #127
I'm just a meanie. rug Jul 2012 #128
Yeah how dare they quote Jesus directly from the Bible???? Manifestor_of_Light Jul 2012 #109
You seem to have a habit of calling things what they are. 2ndAmForComputers Jul 2012 #110
Thanks. I think and then I get in trouble. Manifestor_of_Light Jul 2012 #122
Quote, yes, understand, don't even have a clue Leontius Jul 2012 #129
Oh I don't understand what I am posting?? Manifestor_of_Light Jul 2012 #141
Cherry picking. cordelia Jul 2012 #42
See skepticscott Jul 2012 #57
I did. Cherry picking. cordelia Jul 2012 #63
Oh, please then skepticscott Jul 2012 #75
So, someone - not you - posts items from the New Testament found on cordelia Jul 2012 #93
Keep repeating that if it makes you feel better skepticscott Jul 2012 #98
The "good" is completely irrelevant Bradical79 Jul 2012 #126
That quote is referenced by people who have trouble with metaphors ButterflyBlood Jul 2012 #136
Just move on and look ahead just1voice Jul 2012 #35
I'm a little shocked that any Christian would doubt the authority of the OT: dimbear Jul 2012 #37
so do you think intercropping is a mortal sin? Tumbulu Jul 2012 #48
This is the place where believers and nonbelievers come together in peace and good comradeship. dimbear Jul 2012 #51
Do you really have a purpose? Leontius Jul 2012 #71
To get people to think. dimbear Jul 2012 #94
An excellent purpose Leontius Jul 2012 #95
Why do you assume skepticscott Jul 2012 #96
Where did I say atheists? Leontius Jul 2012 #99
"most atheists used to be religious? Far more than religious people who used to be atheists" - humblebum Jul 2012 #100
Do you really have a purpose? cleanhippie Jul 2012 #146
So, the questions are: profitable, specifically how? reproof, specifically how? correction, ... patrice Jul 2012 #84
There were no JustAnotherGen Jul 2012 #81
The Bible is not history. PDJane Jul 2012 #102
Prove it. nt humblebum Jul 2012 #105
It features sticks magically turning into snakes. That is fantasy. Hence, not history. 2ndAmForComputers Jul 2012 #107
Prove it. Could it not be history of a magic trick being performed, or if indeed humblebum Jul 2012 #111
You know, I understand you much more now. 2ndAmForComputers Jul 2012 #112
Good. So do you think that objective, empirical evidence is NOT necessary to humblebum Jul 2012 #113
It's nice to know that Batman may exist after all! 2ndAmForComputers Jul 2012 #114
If there were several supposed eyewitness accounts of a Batman existing, then the probability humblebum Jul 2012 #118
you know "eyewitness testimony" mzteris Jul 2012 #131
"That's all "religion" is." - that's also nothing more than a personal opinion humblebum Jul 2012 #133
Not really, no., but mzteris Jul 2012 #134
The astronomy is pretty realistic, tho. Reversing the rotation of the earth for a few hours, for dimbear Jul 2012 #116
PROVE IT DIDN'T HAPPEN!!1111!!!111!! 2ndAmForComputers Jul 2012 #117
Have you ever read Tacitus or Livy or Sallust or any of the ancient histories? Leontius Jul 2012 #132
The adopted child was forced to dig ditches in the hot sun while the natural children watched idly. dimbear Jul 2012 #120
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