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In reply to the discussion: Religious minorities fear circumcision debate amounts to assault by secular society [View all]Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)13. no rug that is bullshit
the law banned ritual circumcisions, not medical circumcisions.
In May 2012, the regional appellate court of the Landgericht in Cologne ruled that non-therapeutic circumcision of male children amounts to bodily injury, and is a criminal offence in the area under its jurisdiction.[32] The Cologne Regional Court (Landgericht Köln) arrived at its judgment by application of the human rights provisions of the Basic law, a section of the Civil Code (BGB), and some sections of the Criminal Code (StGB) to non-therapeutic circumcision of male children. The Court found:
that the child's family was of the Islamic faith.
that the circumcision was carried out for religious reasons and not for medical reasons.
that circumcision inflicts bodily harm with permanent and irreparable damage to the body.
that the child has a human right to physical integrity and self-determination. (Grundsegetz, Article 2)
that the child may not grant consent because of his minority.
that the parents must act in the best interests of the child. (German Civil Code (BGB) §1627)
that giving consent for non-therapeutic circumcision is not in the best interests of the child.
that the parents' fundamental human right to practice religion (Grundsegetz, Article 4) are limited by the child's rights to physical integrity and self-determination.
that circumcision without consent is criminal assault (Criminal Code §223).
that circumcision must be deferred until the child himself can decide about circumcision.
that the Muslim medical doctor had made a "mistake of law" and was released from criminal punishment in accordance with §17 of the Criminal Code (StGB).[33]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumcision_and_law#Germany
Even there, the ban is only on non-consensual male circumcisions, a boy old enough to consent could undergo ritual genital mutilation in order to satisfy the peculiar demands of an imaginary sky being.
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Religious minorities fear circumcision debate amounts to assault by secular society [View all]
rug
Jul 2012
OP
Mutilating children is child abuse no matter what any imaginary sky being said.
Warren Stupidity
Jul 2012
#1
any thread that contains the phrase "imaginary sky being" has forfeited the quality of grace.
AlbertCat
Jul 2012
#62
Would you be equally relieved if a moratorium on a ban on female circumcision were in place?
Warren Stupidity
Jul 2012
#5
"non-religious based male circumcision" Really? What about the children who have no say
cleanhippie
Jul 2012
#7
"It is also a religious practice with the same risks and downsides" - No, its forced mutilation.
cleanhippie
Jul 2012
#35
Because I respect the religions and the members of those religions who hold beliefs
cbayer
Jul 2012
#59
so again - but you do not respect the religions of those who wish to perform FGM?
Warren Stupidity
Jul 2012
#60
I'm not in favor of male circumcision for religious beliefs, I just don't think it's any of my
cbayer
Jul 2012
#16
"I am glad to hear that the mohel's are proceeding while this gets worked out" sounded
muriel_volestrangler
Jul 2012
#28
"I am giving power of the child over to the parents in this instance" - only religious ones
muriel_volestrangler
Jul 2012
#37
"You seem to be giving some power over the child to a religious hierarchy." - DING DING DING!
cleanhippie
Jul 2012
#36
It's an assault alright. An assault on barbarism that we should all be fighting.
cleanhippie
Jul 2012
#9