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Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
13. no rug that is bullshit
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 12:58 PM
Jul 2012

the law banned ritual circumcisions, not medical circumcisions.



In May 2012, the regional appellate court of the Landgericht in Cologne ruled that non-therapeutic circumcision of male children amounts to bodily injury, and is a criminal offence in the area under its jurisdiction.[32] The Cologne Regional Court (Landgericht Köln) arrived at its judgment by application of the human rights provisions of the Basic law, a section of the Civil Code (BGB), and some sections of the Criminal Code (StGB) to non-therapeutic circumcision of male children. The Court found:
that the child's family was of the Islamic faith.
that the circumcision was carried out for religious reasons and not for medical reasons.
that circumcision inflicts bodily harm with permanent and irreparable damage to the body.
that the child has a human right to physical integrity and self-determination. (Grundsegetz, Article 2)
that the child may not grant consent because of his minority.
that the parents must act in the best interests of the child. (German Civil Code (BGB) §1627)
that giving consent for non-therapeutic circumcision is not in the best interests of the child.
that the parents' fundamental human right to practice religion (Grundsegetz, Article 4) are limited by the child's rights to physical integrity and self-determination.
that circumcision without consent is criminal assault (Criminal Code §223).
that circumcision must be deferred until the child himself can decide about circumcision.
that the Muslim medical doctor had made a "mistake of law" and was released from criminal punishment in accordance with §17 of the Criminal Code (StGB).[33]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumcision_and_law#Germany

Even there, the ban is only on non-consensual male circumcisions, a boy old enough to consent could undergo ritual genital mutilation in order to satisfy the peculiar demands of an imaginary sky being.

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Mutilating children is child abuse no matter what any imaginary sky being said. Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #1
Yeah, that's the sole basis for the practice. rug Jul 2012 #2
That is the sole basis for ritual circumcision. Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #3
The court ruling bans all circumcision, ritual or otherwise. rug Jul 2012 #10
Are you sure about that? muriel_volestrangler Jul 2012 #11
Yes, the phrase is "medical necessity". rug Jul 2012 #14
oh nice backtrack. Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #18
That's correct. But it is a minor correction. rug Jul 2012 #20
ALL - or er, hmm... well only the NON MEDICALLY NECESSARY ONES. Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #24
There's a question awaiting you on #21. rug Jul 2012 #26
oh for fucks sake. Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #29
So, you admit this ban goes beyond religious ritual. rug Jul 2012 #32
you are now off into complete dishonesty. Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #42
Talk about dishonesty. rug Jul 2012 #44
where did I say that rug? Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #45
Your initial, knee-jerk, post. rug Jul 2012 #47
Really? Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #49
Really. rug Jul 2012 #50
no rug that is bullshit Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #13
No, it isn't. rug Jul 2012 #17
"The court ruling bans all circumcision, ritual or otherwise. " Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #19
No, this time it's your sweeping implication that failed you. rug Jul 2012 #21
RUG: "The court ruling bans all circumcision, ritual or otherwise. " Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #22
You're repeating yourself. Why don't you answer the (amended) question? rug Jul 2012 #25
no you don't get off the hook rug, you still havent confessed Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #27
Confessed? rug Jul 2012 #30
Oh rug, you are so cheeky muriel_volestrangler Jul 2012 #33
And I have refined the question. rug Jul 2012 #34
"The fact remains" muriel_volestrangler Jul 2012 #39
Not as absurd as the thought of you diligently typing smileys. rug Jul 2012 #43
When in a hole "dig deeper". Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #46
Speak up, I can't hear you down there. rug Jul 2012 #48
OK: YOU ARE A PARODY OF RUG Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #51
What? rug Jul 2012 #52
You've all forgotten!!!!!! AlbertCat Jul 2012 #53
DING DING DING!!! Winner! cleanhippie Jul 2012 #57
any thread that contains the phrase "imaginary sky being" has forfeited the quality of grace. AlbertCat Jul 2012 #62
Whose fantasy world? rug Jul 2012 #63
I am glad to hear that the mohel's are proceeding while this gets worked out. cbayer Jul 2012 #4
Would you be equally relieved if a moratorium on a ban on female circumcision were in place? Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #5
I am a strong opponent of non-religious based male circumcision, cbayer Jul 2012 #6
"non-religious based male circumcision" Really? What about the children who have no say cleanhippie Jul 2012 #7
That's a surprising stance muriel_volestrangler Jul 2012 #12
it is the oddest opinion on this issue I've ever seen. Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #15
Nothing odd at all about it. cbayer Jul 2012 #23
"It is also a religious practice with the same risks and downsides" - No, its forced mutilation. cleanhippie Jul 2012 #35
a child who has no say in the matter. AlbertCat Jul 2012 #54
I agree with all but the last part. cleanhippie Jul 2012 #55
Like any operation, there is a small chance of complications muriel_volestrangler Jul 2012 #56
no it is odd. Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #58
Because I respect the religions and the members of those religions who hold beliefs cbayer Jul 2012 #59
so again - but you do not respect the religions of those who wish to perform FGM? Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #60
There are no religious requirements for FGM. cbayer Jul 2012 #61
Well that is debatable, but suppose there were? Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #64
I'm not in favor of male circumcision for religious beliefs, I just don't think it's any of my cbayer Jul 2012 #16
"I am glad to hear that the mohel's are proceeding while this gets worked out" sounded muriel_volestrangler Jul 2012 #28
Because to those who practice this for religious reasons, there are cbayer Jul 2012 #31
"I am giving power of the child over to the parents in this instance" - only religious ones muriel_volestrangler Jul 2012 #37
Being strongly against it does not mean I wish to see it outlawed. cbayer Jul 2012 #38
You seemed to condemn it for non-religious parents muriel_volestrangler Jul 2012 #40
I have worked with medical associations to take positions that would cbayer Jul 2012 #41
"You seem to be giving some power over the child to a religious hierarchy." - DING DING DING! cleanhippie Jul 2012 #36
good thing the bible doesnt advocate stoning to death or gouging out eyeballs nt msongs Jul 2012 #8
It's an assault alright. An assault on barbarism that we should all be fighting. cleanhippie Jul 2012 #9
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