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cbayer

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61. There are no religious requirements for FGM.

Sun Jul 22, 2012, 05:14 PM

Jul 2012

As to sharia, I am not able to comment on it as I know very little about it. I do know that there are some parts that I find highly objectionable.

This is a difficult topic, I know, and you and I are coming at it from different angles. This is only my opinion. I would like to see movements within Judaism and Islam challenge infant circumcision, but I think that is unlikely. Like abortion or other kinds of prohibition, I think outlawing it would lead to many more problems and risks for the infants.

I would talk to and educate any parent who is debating this for their own child, and my information would be clear and persuasive. But in this case, I choose to leave those who do it for religious reasons alone. It is a difficult and complicated decision even when religion isn't in the mix.

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Religious minorities fear circumcision debate amounts to assault by secular society [View all] rug Jul 2012 OP

Mutilating children is child abuse no matter what any imaginary sky being said. Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #1

Yeah, that's the sole basis for the practice. rug Jul 2012 #2

That is the sole basis for ritual circumcision. Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #3

The court ruling bans all circumcision, ritual or otherwise. rug Jul 2012 #10

Are you sure about that? muriel_volestrangler Jul 2012 #11

Yes, the phrase is "medical necessity". rug Jul 2012 #14

oh nice backtrack. Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #18

That's correct. But it is a minor correction. rug Jul 2012 #20

ALL - or er, hmm... well only the NON MEDICALLY NECESSARY ONES. Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #24

There's a question awaiting you on #21. rug Jul 2012 #26

oh for fucks sake. Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #29

So, you admit this ban goes beyond religious ritual. rug Jul 2012 #32

you are now off into complete dishonesty. Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #42

Talk about dishonesty. rug Jul 2012 #44

where did I say that rug? Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #45

Your initial, knee-jerk, post. rug Jul 2012 #47

Really? Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #49

Really. rug Jul 2012 #50

no rug that is bullshit Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #13

No, it isn't. rug Jul 2012 #17

"The court ruling bans all circumcision, ritual or otherwise. " Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #19

No, this time it's your sweeping implication that failed you. rug Jul 2012 #21

RUG: "The court ruling bans all circumcision, ritual or otherwise. " Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #22

You're repeating yourself. Why don't you answer the (amended) question? rug Jul 2012 #25

no you don't get off the hook rug, you still havent confessed Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #27

Confessed? rug Jul 2012 #30

Oh rug, you are so cheeky muriel_volestrangler Jul 2012 #33

And I have refined the question. rug Jul 2012 #34

"The fact remains" muriel_volestrangler Jul 2012 #39

Not as absurd as the thought of you diligently typing smileys. rug Jul 2012 #43

When in a hole "dig deeper". Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #46

Speak up, I can't hear you down there. rug Jul 2012 #48

OK: YOU ARE A PARODY OF RUG Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #51

What? rug Jul 2012 #52

You've all forgotten!!!!!! AlbertCat Jul 2012 #53

DING DING DING!!! Winner! cleanhippie Jul 2012 #57

any thread that contains the phrase "imaginary sky being" has forfeited the quality of grace. AlbertCat Jul 2012 #62

Whose fantasy world? rug Jul 2012 #63

I am glad to hear that the mohel's are proceeding while this gets worked out. cbayer Jul 2012 #4

Would you be equally relieved if a moratorium on a ban on female circumcision were in place? Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #5

I am a strong opponent of non-religious based male circumcision, cbayer Jul 2012 #6

"non-religious based male circumcision" Really? What about the children who have no say cleanhippie Jul 2012 #7

That's a surprising stance muriel_volestrangler Jul 2012 #12

it is the oddest opinion on this issue I've ever seen. Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #15

Nothing odd at all about it. cbayer Jul 2012 #23

"It is also a religious practice with the same risks and downsides" - No, its forced mutilation. cleanhippie Jul 2012 #35

a child who has no say in the matter. AlbertCat Jul 2012 #54

I agree with all but the last part. cleanhippie Jul 2012 #55

Like any operation, there is a small chance of complications muriel_volestrangler Jul 2012 #56

no it is odd. Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #58

Because I respect the religions and the members of those religions who hold beliefs cbayer Jul 2012 #59

so again - but you do not respect the religions of those who wish to perform FGM? Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #60

There are no religious requirements for FGM. cbayer Jul 2012 #61

Well that is debatable, but suppose there were? Warren Stupidity Jul 2012 #64

I'm not in favor of male circumcision for religious beliefs, I just don't think it's any of my cbayer Jul 2012 #16

"I am glad to hear that the mohel's are proceeding while this gets worked out" sounded muriel_volestrangler Jul 2012 #28

Because to those who practice this for religious reasons, there are cbayer Jul 2012 #31

"I am giving power of the child over to the parents in this instance" - only religious ones muriel_volestrangler Jul 2012 #37

Being strongly against it does not mean I wish to see it outlawed. cbayer Jul 2012 #38

You seemed to condemn it for non-religious parents muriel_volestrangler Jul 2012 #40

I have worked with medical associations to take positions that would cbayer Jul 2012 #41

"You seem to be giving some power over the child to a religious hierarchy." - DING DING DING! cleanhippie Jul 2012 #36

good thing the bible doesnt advocate stoning to death or gouging out eyeballs nt msongs Jul 2012 #8

It's an assault alright. An assault on barbarism that we should all be fighting. cleanhippie Jul 2012 #9