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Thu Jul 26, 2012, 05:16 PM Jul 2012

Praying for rain: Atheist critics show how petty and small-minded they’ve become [View all]

By Lisa Miller, Thursday, July 26, 1:02 PMThe Washington Post

With the death of the writer Christopher Hitchens, and the withdrawal of Sam Harris, author of The End of Faith, from the front lines into a study of morality and neuroscience, the American atheist movement has a void at the top. A decade ago, atheists were brave, fierce warriors bent on battling conventional wisdom and easy piety. These days, it seems, atheists are petty and small-minded ideologues who regard every expression of public religiosity as a personal affront – not to mention a possible violation of the First Amendment and a sign of rampant idiocy among their fellow citizens.

Last week, such atheist hysteria reached a peak when Tom Flynn, executive director of the Council for Secular Humanism, publicly over-reacted to remarks made at a press conference by Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack. In speaking about the devastating drought now facing farmers in the Midwest, the worst in 25 years, the Secretary, who was raised a Roman Catholic, struck a tone both emphatic and personal.

“I get on my knees every day,” he said, “and I’m saying an extra prayer right now. If I had a rain prayer or a rain dance, I would do it.”

Flynn came out churlishly swinging. About Vilsack’s statement, he said, “that’s not just government entangling itself with religion, that’s government publicly practicing it, and wallowing in superstition.” Besides, he added (rather meanly), prayer doesn’t work.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/on-faith/praying-for-rain-atheist-critics-show-how-petty-and-small-minded-theyve-become/2012/07/26/gJQAB9BeBX_story.html

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Praying for rain works? Control-Z Jul 2012 #1
Why don't you post this over in A/A so it can be discussed there? Goblinmonger Jul 2012 #2
Why don't you respond to it here? rug Jul 2012 #5
Do you think prayers for rain work? Goblinmonger Jul 2012 #9
You realize, of course, that is not the point of the article. rug Jul 2012 #12
It is the point that she thought was petty. Goblinmonger Jul 2012 #13
Correct. And "the writer's view" has a lot of substance. rug Jul 2012 #15
She probably would have thought Goblinmonger Jul 2012 #16
You should look her up. rug Jul 2012 #17
It's about people using and exaggerating to be assholes. AlbertCat Jul 2012 #100
This Country Is Stupid MooseTrax Jul 2012 #3
Were you born with "original sin", rug? Kolesar Jul 2012 #4
Were you born in the morning or the evening? rug Jul 2012 #7
I presumed you were a "Christian" ... Kolesar Jul 2012 #8
I presume you are liberal and progressive. rug Jul 2012 #10
LOL! kwassa Jul 2012 #68
I knew before I got to the link, that this was the case, but here it is: freshwest Jul 2012 #6
And some Indians believed their Holy Shirts were bulletproof... onager Jul 2012 #36
You might want to go and ask the native Americans about that. Attend a pow wow. Report back. freshwest Jul 2012 #37
Rain prayers are especially potent among desert dwellers; AlbertCat Jul 2012 #101
It doesn't matter if it rains or not. It's their culture. Are they allowed to have one? freshwest Jul 2012 #102
Are they allowed to have one? AlbertCat Jul 2012 #120
This is so so important, because misuse of power impels the victims to wasted lives and suicide. dimbear Jul 2012 #11
Why are they obsessed with something they don't believe in. Isn't that some kind of demosincebirth Jul 2012 #14
Bullshit rhetorical tactic Silent3 Jul 2012 #18
You may not like it, but it's a serious queston. demosincebirth Jul 2012 #20
You'd have to have a serious meaning for the word "obsession"... Silent3 Jul 2012 #42
You can't escape it...that's what it is. The truth sometimes hurts. . Your group (atheists) are demosincebirth Jul 2012 #51
Appears you are simply projecting your insecurities. cleanhippie Jul 2012 #70
Is that all you can toss at me? demosincebirth Jul 2012 #78
An underhanded throw is all that's required. cleanhippie Jul 2012 #79
I know others who throw underhanded. too. Gosh, you are so eeeasy. demosincebirth Jul 2012 #96
I only use as much effort as is required, and dismissing you takes very little. cleanhippie Jul 2012 #97
What can't I escape? Your ridiculous use of the word "obsessed"? Silent3 Jul 2012 #80
We're not obsessed, US society is obsessed. We'd be fools to ignore the cultural impact riderinthestorm Jul 2012 #99
By your "logic", creationists skepticscott Jul 2012 #19
It's not logic, it's a very simple question. The way you answered my post may be part of demosincebirth Jul 2012 #21
It was your flawed "logic" skepticscott Jul 2012 #39
Ah, I'm getting to you now... very thin skinned too. Better work on that, along with with your demosincebirth Jul 2012 #56
When you're down to skepticscott Jul 2012 #60
The substantive point is the word obsession, if you haven't noticed it was the subject of my demosincebirth Jul 2012 #98
Your obsession skepticscott Jul 2012 #109
Jeez, I just asked a question you and your ilk didn't care to answer. It does have an answer but demosincebirth Jul 2012 #117
Your completely insincere and dishonest question has a simple answer. Bradical79 Jul 2012 #122
Responding to something you are surrounded by is not obsession. Bradical79 Jul 2012 #121
Being concerned - sorry "obsessed" - about the establishment clause is a bad thing? dmallind Jul 2012 #22
He was asked by a reporter from a christian news organization specifically about prayer. cbayer Jul 2012 #23
Had he answered as I described, would you have cavalierly dismissed Christian complaints? dmallind Jul 2012 #24
But that's not what he was asked, so it's merely a hypothetical. cbayer Jul 2012 #25
By reading threads on this forum I will whole heartedly use, and will continue to use, demosincebirth Jul 2012 #28
This is an interesting question that I would also be interested in understanding. cbayer Jul 2012 #52
I see your point, but not collecting stamps is impossible to turn into an life changing obsession of demosincebirth Jul 2012 #57
I think I am agreeing with your point. cbayer Jul 2012 #58
But if stamp collectors were everywhere, proclaiming how wonderful stamp collecting was... trotsky Jul 2012 #63
Obsessed? I don't think many atheists are obsessed. MineralMan Jul 2012 #61
A highly personal attack on Flynn by Ms. Miller ... some fallacious barbs included .... Trajan Jul 2012 #26
He can pray all he wants mzteris Jul 2012 #27
Should he answer the question at a press conference? rug Jul 2012 #29
In a manner as is appropriate to his station. mzteris Jul 2012 #72
Actually, it's his appointed station. rug Jul 2012 #94
respectfully declined. n/t mzteris Jul 2012 #103
He's the Secretary of Agriculture. Now, what would be his own time? Maybe taking a crap at his demosincebirth Jul 2012 #30
if he can't make the distinction, mzteris Jul 2012 #73
Amen to that. I'm fed up with politicians feeding the masses bullshit to be popular. BlueJazz Jul 2012 #31
This too? rug Jul 2012 #32
That also. I have no problem with those who are sincere in their beliefs.... BlueJazz Jul 2012 #43
isn't that all it is, really. mzteris Jul 2012 #74
Religious speech is still speech nonetheless and is protected as such. Until Congress is forbidden humblebum Jul 2012 #33
Founder James Madison was no fan of chaplains... onager Jul 2012 #35
You'll also notice that Madison was only one of many, and that tolerance was key. The humblebum Jul 2012 #40
Translation: skepticscott Jul 2012 #47
Don't let the facts confuse you. nt humblebum Jul 2012 #50
You're joking right? Goblinmonger Jul 2012 #64
I'll stand by my words and yes I am very well aware of what went on at the Constitutional Convention humblebum Jul 2012 #66
I've read plenty on Madison. Goblinmonger Jul 2012 #67
Obviously, none of them were the type of federalism we have today. That is Madison's point. humblebum Jul 2012 #69
oh gawd. you haven't been reading mzteris Jul 2012 #76
Nope. humblebum Jul 2012 #82
I've probably forgotten more about the subject mzteris Jul 2012 #84
Until you put up something of substance, it appears that humblebum Jul 2012 #85
He wasn't the only "anti-religious one" either mzteris Jul 2012 #86
Never did I say that he was the only anti-religious one and by your words here, humblebum Jul 2012 #87
I did start out by saying, mzteris Jul 2012 #89
Of course they were politicians and that is what politicians do, but their humblebum Jul 2012 #91
There is nothing "mixed' about mzteris Jul 2012 #104
Well he wasn't exactly condemning religion when he said: humblebum Jul 2012 #108
That in no way suggests that HE mzteris Jul 2012 #112
I have never said that he was religious and yes he humblebum Jul 2012 #115
Why do you even listen to Sean Hannity? I thought he left the scene with Palin, but Madison humblebum Jul 2012 #41
they were politicians who knew mzteris Jul 2012 #75
You act as if James Madison was the only Founding Father. Pretty shallow I'd say. And humblebum Jul 2012 #81
you really have been reading Barton, haven't you? mzteris Jul 2012 #83
If you enjoy his take on American history... onager Jul 2012 #88
His fabrication of American history, mzteris Jul 2012 #90
Still, much talk but no substance. IOW, those "books" are humblebum Jul 2012 #92
Garbage deserves to be burned. mzteris Jul 2012 #93
Actually, it shows where your true allegiance and source of info comes [from]. humblebum Jul 2012 #95
Joseph Ellis?? mzteris Jul 2012 #105
So, then you do think he is a trusted resource? Somehow that humblebum Jul 2012 #106
don't get this, do you? mzteris Jul 2012 #111
Then why didn't you use the sarcasm icon? nt humblebum Jul 2012 #113
I thought it unnecessary. mzteris Jul 2012 #114
Kinda like using sources to back up your claims, huh? humblebum Jul 2012 #116
Not buying any of it. "Rain dance fallacy" longship Jul 2012 #34
Must try harder. You're slipping. nt mr blur Jul 2012 #38
It takes little effort. rug Jul 2012 #53
What a meany face!!!! Evoman Jul 2012 #44
Yes, we do. cleanhippie Jul 2012 #45
Sweet! What word do you use to do that? Evoman Jul 2012 #46
I had that smiley ready for use on my DU2 profile. cleanhippie Jul 2012 #48
I agree. You do engage in that act liberally. nt humblebum Jul 2012 #59
. cleanhippie Jul 2012 #62
*GASP* That's a sin. Goblinmonger Jul 2012 #65
No, she said they're petty and small-minded. rug Jul 2012 #54
Here we go.... Evoman Jul 2012 #126
Speaking of petty and small . . . . rug Jul 2012 #128
No need to get all snarky. Evoman Jul 2012 #129
That looks like an enjoyment you'd prefer alone. rug Jul 2012 #130
Ha! You just don't know me at all! Evoman Aug 2012 #131
Secretary of Agriculture Claude Duplantis revealed today that he sacrifices a chicken every day.. Fumesucker Jul 2012 #49
Flynn could have suggested rurallib Jul 2012 #55
Isn't that just sort of semantics Dorian Gray Jul 2012 #71
Uh, in this case, yeah it does skepticscott Jul 2012 #127
It read like hyperbole Dorian Gray Aug 2012 #132
Weakness must attack dissenting difference. nt patrice Jul 2012 #77
So one atheist is a rude twit intaglio Jul 2012 #107
Facts cbayer Jul 2012 #110
Facts are irrelevant. demosincebirth Jul 2012 #118
Often ignored, but not irrelevant. cbayer Jul 2012 #119
Petty and Small Minded Journalist Writes Insulting and Idiotic Article Bradical79 Jul 2012 #123
Yeah, she's a hack. rug Jul 2012 #124
"Small Minded Journalist Writes Insulting and Idiotic Article" about humblebum Jul 2012 #125
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