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bigotry abounds [View all] Thats my opinion Dec 2011 OP

Wow! Sorry to hear that. Keep up the good fight. Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #1

Churches are never immune MarkCharles Dec 2011 #2

The ONLY places? dmallind Dec 2011 #3

There may be a gay bar. Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #5

"The bigots are not yet unidentified." Goblinmonger Dec 2011 #4

Obvious mistake. Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #7

As to the mistake, I was just trying to point out the error. Nothing more. Goblinmonger Dec 2011 #9

Well, we do know that skepticscott Dec 2011 #10

almost almost almost all! MarkCharles Dec 2011 #11

Not everyone. Maybe not even most. Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #12

Did you or did you not post these exact words? skepticscott Dec 2011 #13

Contradictions are hard to explain! Especially among MarkCharles Dec 2011 #15

You don't really care if things in the religious world are opening up to GLBT people. Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #30

IOW, "pay no attention to my contradictions, and just do your best to infer my meaning." cleanhippie Dec 2011 #34

No, what we care about is whether skepticscott Dec 2011 #35

Take a look Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #49

And your point is what? skepticscott Dec 2011 #62

Apparently you can't skepticscott Dec 2011 #108

Do you live in the Inland Empire? n/t Irishonly Dec 2011 #6

Irish, Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #8

Looks as if I probably have identified someone else. Sorry. rt Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #33

Haven't been on computer Irishonly Dec 2011 #38

Ex 909er here. Iggo Dec 2011 #55

Yep Irishonly Dec 2011 #59

Oh yeah. IE is redredred. (nt) Iggo Dec 2011 #70

Tragic and I hope they find those that did it. OTOH, this thread is enlightening. cbayer Dec 2011 #14

Hypocrisy and dishonesty skepticscott Dec 2011 #16

I guess if that is what you are looking for, that is what you will see. cbayer Dec 2011 #17

Well, it's hard not to see it skepticscott Dec 2011 #19

A couple of them are now on ignore. I just won't engage in DU 3 what i did in 2 Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #31

I know he's your dad, and it's charming that you're defending him EvolveOrConvolve Dec 2011 #63

I understand that and appreciate the way you have responded here. cbayer Dec 2011 #88

You had me until you started to make things up. cleanhippie Dec 2011 #100

As I have not excercised a single option available to me as a group host, cbayer Dec 2011 #101

So who are these skepticscott Dec 2011 #106

She will not say, I'm sure. To do so would only confirm what "we" already know. cleanhippie Jan 2012 #139

I think a real apology would have gone a long way to soothing some hurt feelings EvolveOrConvolve Dec 2011 #105

This is one of the most thoughtful and insightful posts I have read concerning cbayer Dec 2011 #115

The habit of bestowing blessings skepticscott Dec 2011 #118

It never occured to me that giving someone kudos on a post cbayer Dec 2011 #119

Uh, you tell them skepticscott Dec 2011 #121

Again, I see your point. cbayer Dec 2011 #122

Just another point, as I dwell on this. cbayer Dec 2011 #123

Yes, that does happen, and such statements are generally made skepticscott Jan 2012 #137

Me too! EvolveOrConvolve Dec 2011 #127

In real life tama Jan 2012 #136

So how do you square your statement that skepticscott Dec 2011 #18

Wow, you really helped me make my point here. cbayer Dec 2011 #20

Yes, he looked for the truth, and he found it. laconicsax Dec 2011 #21

Or perhaps it's is just one person's personal perspective and another's personal perspective. cbayer Dec 2011 #22

I think your judgement may be clouded in this case. n/t laconicsax Dec 2011 #23

I don't know about my judgement, but I do know my father. cbayer Dec 2011 #25

Wow. No one called anyone a liar, but you felt the need to say that. cleanhippie Dec 2011 #28

"You just never get tired of making things up, do you?" cbayer Dec 2011 #29

Like I stated, your comment served no purpose other than to shut down cleanhippie Dec 2011 #32

Well, please provide us with your explanation skepticscott Dec 2011 #37

Apparently you have no explanation skepticscott Dec 2011 #109

My only explanation is that different people have different perceptions cbayer Dec 2011 #117

Sheesh, did you even read my question? skepticscott Dec 2011 #120

Which doesn't even come close to explaining skepticscott Dec 2011 #24

Your linked article doesn't say anything about people not hearing cbayer Dec 2011 #26

Just to say, she's not seeing any outrage. laconicsax Dec 2011 #27

The article says that the artist's wife skepticscott Dec 2011 #36

The OP lives in the community Irishonly Dec 2011 #45

Do you have evidence that skepticscott Dec 2011 #47

Looking for alternative Irishonly Dec 2011 #52

Do you have any EVIDENCE skepticscott Dec 2011 #64

Why don't you tell me when the wife was asked? Irishonly Dec 2011 #66

Gee, how about evidence from the person quoted skepticscott Dec 2011 #107

My opinion because I am not going to post link after link that wouldn't be believed anyway Irishonly Dec 2011 #110

I saw this on latest threads. I try to avoid this group Irishonly Dec 2011 #111

Would you be comfortable saying why you avoid this group? cbayer Dec 2011 #116

I am not comfortable with the snarking that goes on in here Irishonly Dec 2011 #124

Thanks for that. I hope you will reconsider and cbayer Dec 2011 #125

He found it because it was there. Iggo Dec 2011 #56

I know where the church is. n/t Irishonly Dec 2011 #39

Irish, good to know you are in the community. Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #40

If there's so much outrage, why hasn't the Ms. Zachary noticed it? laconicsax Dec 2011 #41

Bye. n/t cleanhippie Dec 2011 #42

She will be at the community-wide rally tonight nt Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #50

That's nice, now can you answer my question? laconicsax Dec 2011 #57

I love Pilgrim Place Irishonly Dec 2011 #43

Next year at the festival stop by the arts booth and see some of my paintings and cards. nt Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #51

We have seen each other Irishonly Dec 2011 #53

They are my neighbors and old friends. Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #60

Two of the most wonderful people put on the face of the earth. Irishonly Dec 2011 #61

Face it, you made things up skepticscott Dec 2011 #46

I guess I just don't get your agenda here. cbayer Dec 2011 #48

I guess I just don't get why you are answering for your father and not seeing the problem here. cleanhippie Dec 2011 #54

+1 Heddi Dec 2011 #58

+1 wakemeupwhenitsover Dec 2011 #75

+1 Heddi Dec 2011 #77

This message was self-deleted by its author cbayer Dec 2011 #84

This message was self-deleted by its author cbayer Dec 2011 #85

I have every right to defend anyone I want, and I particularly have the right to cbayer Dec 2011 #82

Oh please...threatened?? skepticscott Dec 2011 #112

Post removed Post removed Jan 2012 #140

So when falsehoods, inaccuracies and contradictions skepticscott Dec 2011 #65

Please. I never "attacked" him for a grammatical error. Goblinmonger Dec 2011 #71

You backed off and even apologized, and my respsect for your increased exponentially cbayer Dec 2011 #83

The gays who were the butt of the action can't be married in the UMC church where the nativity was, Critters2 Dec 2011 #69

Place not Pines Irishonly Dec 2011 #44

This story has reached China. rug Dec 2011 #67

The United Methodist Church is not welcoming of lgbt people. Its policies are the same as those of Critters2 Dec 2011 #68

In response concerning "Bigotry Abounds" Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #72

You know, Charles... laconicsax Dec 2011 #73

+1 wakemeupwhenitsover Dec 2011 #76

+1 Heddi Dec 2011 #78

The United Methodist Church world wide, Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #89

You want to hear how I'm involved in the struggle to make the UMC less homophobic? laconicsax Dec 2011 #92

Please don't blame it entirely on the African bishops. LiberalAndProud Dec 2011 #103

participate? Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #91

And about half of those are you chit-chatting with a neighbor. laconicsax Dec 2011 #93

seven ain't bad. Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #95

You mean thank them for doing the right thing for a change? laconicsax Dec 2011 #97

That church has a long distinguish record of supporting Gay causes--with persons, money and Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #98

"I'll respond--and do--to serious questions..." I look forward to seeing this change. n/t laconicsax Dec 2011 #99

As do many other Methodist congregations across the country but I guess that counts for nothing here Leontius Dec 2011 #102

"They have already performed gay ceremonies." LiberalAndProud Dec 2011 #104

"But I will no longer engage in useless diatribes. " Does that mean you are done posting? cleanhippie Jan 2012 #141

Your questions were not legitimate, they were nit-picking and your conclusion is wrong. kwassa Dec 2011 #113

Interesting...a Christian and an atheist make the same claim and you go after the atheist... laconicsax Dec 2011 #114

Not that interesting, and you make my point for me. kwassa Dec 2011 #128

Are you serious? laconicsax Dec 2011 #130

Yes, I am serious. kwassa Jan 2012 #131

So you don't see calling homosexuality a "practice" as homophobic. laconicsax Jan 2012 #132

Thank you for not answering my question. kwassa Jan 2012 #133

Your quasi-appeal to tradition is cute. laconicsax Jan 2012 #134

So is your lack of historical knowledge. kwassa Jan 2012 #148

Rationalize all you want. You are defending homophobia. n/t laconicsax Jan 2012 #149

Because you say so? Oh, please. kwassa Jan 2012 #150

Please point out where you've condemned homophobia in this thread. laconicsax Jan 2012 #151

But I thought you had them all on ignore. Iggo Dec 2011 #74

Uhm, Yeah, Charles. Its us, not you. cleanhippie Dec 2011 #81

another modest reply deacon_sephiroth Dec 2011 #86

At the risk of getting this deleted or hidden wakemeupwhenitsover Dec 2011 #79

Bwahahahahahahaha! cleanhippie Dec 2011 #80

well, if I'm on the jury, you're safe. n/t deacon_sephiroth Dec 2011 #87

Thanks wmuwio! cbayer Dec 2011 #90

+1 wakemeupwhenitsover Dec 2011 #94

Aw, c'mon. You can do better than that. cbayer Dec 2011 #96

Sure could if Skinner would wakemeupwhenitsover Jan 2012 #138

Oh, SNAP!!!!! cleanhippie Jan 2012 #142

rofl Heddi Jan 2012 #143

So you want the church praised for doing the "right" thing? mr blur Dec 2011 #126

I think the church should be praised for doing the right thing. kwassa Dec 2011 #129

That wasn't the point of the OP mr blur Jan 2012 #135

no, it is the point of the OP kwassa Jan 2012 #144

You have no idea what I 'm talking about? mr blur Jan 2012 #145

You would do well to try. kwassa Jan 2012 #147

I don't have any idea either. cordelia Jan 2012 #146