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eqfan592

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43. You're talking about gnostic atheists.

Thu Aug 23, 2012, 12:57 PM

Aug 2012

And yes, they do exist. And no, I don't agree with their claiming of knowledge.

However, if you really think that the "five recognized human senses are still the standard," then you're a bit behind the times.

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Spirituality correlates to better mental health regardless of religion: researchers [View all] rug Aug 2012 OP

Missouri U- what a surprise independentpiney Aug 2012 #1

It's a state school with a medical school, isn't it? cbayer Aug 2012 #2

It's from the Religious studies department- what does a medical school have to do with it? independentpiney Aug 2012 #5

It's not actually. It's from the Department of Health Psychology. cbayer Aug 2012 #10

That's if you believe being delusional "better" mental health! nt Walk away Aug 2012 #3

I suppose the exclamation point denotes wit. rug Aug 2012 #6

That's a broadbrush statement that really has not basis in fact. cbayer Aug 2012 #7

It can just as easily be said that the atheistic POV is "delusional." The term is nothing humblebum Aug 2012 #25

What delusions do atheist hold edhopper Aug 2012 #30

Concerning those strong atheists who think that humblebum Aug 2012 #31

No atheist says that edhopper Aug 2012 #38

Actually you confirmed my point. I never said any "atheist says that" however, thinking is humblebum Aug 2012 #41

You're talking about gnostic atheists. eqfan592 Aug 2012 #43

Your argument here is really a red herring. humblebum Aug 2012 #46

Try doing a bit of research. No red hearing's here. eqfan592 Aug 2012 #48

I am quite aware of your findings. Nonetheless, empirical humblebum Aug 2012 #49

The problem is that intuition isn't a "sense," at least not in the way you are trying to use it here eqfan592 Aug 2012 #50

I never said it was. And I agree that it cannot yield objective proof. humblebum Aug 2012 #51

Proprioception is how I did it, the other senses is how I verified it. eqfan592 Aug 2012 #52

Nonetheless, we are still talking about those senses that yield empirical, objective proof. humblebum Aug 2012 #53

How do you know atheists think that edhopper Aug 2012 #94

Anytime an atheist refers to something as being empirically proven, or humblebum Aug 2012 #104

so you are calling me delusional? madrchsod Aug 2012 #61

The concept of spirituality as a personality trait is interesting. cbayer Aug 2012 #4

The article sources the paper but I can't seem to pull the article out of the Journal. rug Aug 2012 #9

Here's a link to the abstract. cbayer Aug 2012 #11

Ah, thank you. rug Aug 2012 #13

The atheist will be working over time... Speck Tater Aug 2012 #8

Humanity will end with the last two on earth plummeting over a cliff screaming "You're wrong!" rug Aug 2012 #12

hehe. Too true. nt Speck Tater Aug 2012 #14

I suppose the exclamation point denotes wit. mr blur Aug 2012 #47

No, it denotes excitement, as in, plummeting over a cliff. rug Aug 2012 #57

Should I question whether the number pi is transcendent? 2ndAmForComputers Aug 2012 #15

Beyond irrational is psychotic, not transcendent. Speck Tater Aug 2012 #16

Why on earth would an atheist have to do that? eqfan592 Aug 2012 #19

Yes, I agree. Speck Tater Aug 2012 #20

Fair enough. (nt) eqfan592 Aug 2012 #33

nothing there stated that the feeling of oneness with the universe described in the article ... AlbertCat Aug 2012 #73

Why? No atheists were included in the study. nt dmallind Aug 2012 #21

Which atheist? n/t trotsky Aug 2012 #26

Well, if more atheists followed Alex Rosenberg's advice, that might change. Jim__ Aug 2012 #17

Great. A philosopher recommending a psychiatric medication. cbayer Aug 2012 #18

Spiritualism, eh? MineralMan Aug 2012 #22

I agree that there needs to be a secular word for that emotional state. eqfan592 Aug 2012 #34

Being awed and amazed by the MineralMan Aug 2012 #39

I'm in complete agreement. eqfan592 Aug 2012 #44

Heh, a study of spiritualism by Mu YankeyMCC Aug 2012 #23

I asked above, but did not get an answer, as to why this is significant. cbayer Aug 2012 #24

Yeah, I was making a Zen joke YankeyMCC Aug 2012 #28

A Zen joke. That in and of itself is funny. cbayer Aug 2012 #29

Way to knead a simple fact into a goofy one Scootaloo Aug 2012 #27

I can't imagine Ayn Rand saying this. rug Aug 2012 #32

That's because Ayn Rand wasn't really interested in anyone's psychological well-being Scootaloo Aug 2012 #36

Then you may want to qualify your post. rug Aug 2012 #37

Clearly there isn't anything in Catholicism to require it either. trotsky Aug 2012 #40

It does require it. rug Aug 2012 #55

Prove it Goblinmonger Aug 2012 #58

Are you serious? rug Aug 2012 #62

So I guess you aren't a Catholic, rug? trotsky Aug 2012 #65

Oh I am, but not a very good one. rug Aug 2012 #67

You said Catholics were *required* to love their neighbor. trotsky Aug 2012 #69

That is correct. And if people were perfect, there'd be no need for religion, rug Aug 2012 #70

Why do people need religion to compensate for their imperfection? trotsky Aug 2012 #71

People don't need it. Yet it offers it. rug Aug 2012 #72

Please explain your contradictory statements. trotsky Aug 2012 #92

Humans are imperfect and have no need to be perfect. rug Aug 2012 #93

So humans DO need religion to be perfect, in your opinion. trotsky Aug 2012 #95

No, you don't get it. rug Aug 2012 #96

No, I understand quite well. trotsky Aug 2012 #97

That's essentially what I wrote. rug Aug 2012 #98

Oh those two things are closer in meaning than you think. trotsky Aug 2012 #99

As a matter of fact, the difference is a core human issue. rug Aug 2012 #100

But not really in the topic of this thread. trotsky Aug 2012 #101

I'm glad you agree. rug Aug 2012 #102

I asked you to point out what I said that you believe to be an attack on your religion. trotsky Aug 2012 #103

Of course it's truly stupid to expect a term like "psychological well being" to show up... eqfan592 Aug 2012 #66

It's his question. rug Aug 2012 #68

Hmmmm jaded_old_cynic Aug 2012 #54

Good for them but you can't attribute it to atheism. rug Aug 2012 #56

I don't attribute it to atheism. jaded_old_cynic Aug 2012 #59

The atheist's motives "are more noble"? rug Aug 2012 #60

Did I stutter? jaded_old_cynic Aug 2012 #64

No but "noble" is a rather odd term to use. rug Aug 2012 #75

Do you agree with my last statement or not? jaded_old_cynic Aug 2012 #78

I do but I think that is rarely the case, whether one believes or not. rug Aug 2012 #86

I think the assumption that religious people only do good works in anticipation cbayer Aug 2012 #79

I agree that good people come in many persuasions. jaded_old_cynic Aug 2012 #80

There is much to be said about acts that are wholly altruistic, but religious motivations cbayer Aug 2012 #81

So you're saying jaded_old_cynic Aug 2012 #82

No, I didn't say that. cbayer Aug 2012 #83

Yes you did. jaded_old_cynic Aug 2012 #84

Then I was not clear. What one hears is not always what has been said or intended. cbayer Aug 2012 #85

I'll buy that. jaded_old_cynic Aug 2012 #88

And I have no qualms with you, joc. cbayer Aug 2012 #89

I can't imagine Ayn Rand saying this. AlbertCat Aug 2012 #74

Why would anyone lump all atheists in a single sentence? rug Aug 2012 #76

Why would anyone lump all atheists in a single sentence? AlbertCat Aug 2012 #77

"Atheists coulda told you this long ago" rug Aug 2012 #87

"Atheists coulda told you this long ago" AlbertCat Aug 2012 #90

So does owning pets... Act_of_Reparation Aug 2012 #35

Meh. Still doesn't mean god exists. Evoman Aug 2012 #42

Hello Evoman. Nice to see you back. cbayer Aug 2012 #45

yup.... but i do know one thing.. madrchsod Aug 2012 #63

That calls for a song.. Fumesucker Aug 2012 #91