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EvolveOrConvolve

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105. I think a real apology would have gone a long way to soothing some hurt feelings

Fri Dec 30, 2011, 09:25 PM

Dec 2011

I understand that he's a passionate person when it comes to his belief, but he has to be a little more introspective and self-aware. The old "walk a mile in my shoes" comes to mind. Until he really understands why some of the things he says are offensive, apologies for those things, and shows by his actions that he understands and has atoned, I fear that any discussion started by him is going to devolve into flames. It won't take one thread or one post to earn back the respect of many of us.

I think it's admirable that you're sticking up for your dad. You obviously have a deep amount of respect for him, and that sort of respect isn't the result of him being a bad person. But like I mentioned in my previous post, we can only judge him within the context we know him, and that's here at DU in the Religion group.

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bigotry abounds [View all] Thats my opinion Dec 2011 OP

Wow! Sorry to hear that. Keep up the good fight. Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #1

Churches are never immune MarkCharles Dec 2011 #2

The ONLY places? dmallind Dec 2011 #3

There may be a gay bar. Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #5

"The bigots are not yet unidentified." Goblinmonger Dec 2011 #4

Obvious mistake. Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #7

As to the mistake, I was just trying to point out the error. Nothing more. Goblinmonger Dec 2011 #9

Well, we do know that skepticscott Dec 2011 #10

almost almost almost all! MarkCharles Dec 2011 #11

Not everyone. Maybe not even most. Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #12

Did you or did you not post these exact words? skepticscott Dec 2011 #13

Contradictions are hard to explain! Especially among MarkCharles Dec 2011 #15

You don't really care if things in the religious world are opening up to GLBT people. Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #30

IOW, "pay no attention to my contradictions, and just do your best to infer my meaning." cleanhippie Dec 2011 #34

No, what we care about is whether skepticscott Dec 2011 #35

Take a look Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #49

And your point is what? skepticscott Dec 2011 #62

Apparently you can't skepticscott Dec 2011 #108

Do you live in the Inland Empire? n/t Irishonly Dec 2011 #6

Irish, Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #8

Looks as if I probably have identified someone else. Sorry. rt Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #33

Haven't been on computer Irishonly Dec 2011 #38

Ex 909er here. Iggo Dec 2011 #55

Yep Irishonly Dec 2011 #59

Oh yeah. IE is redredred. (nt) Iggo Dec 2011 #70

Tragic and I hope they find those that did it. OTOH, this thread is enlightening. cbayer Dec 2011 #14

Hypocrisy and dishonesty skepticscott Dec 2011 #16

I guess if that is what you are looking for, that is what you will see. cbayer Dec 2011 #17

Well, it's hard not to see it skepticscott Dec 2011 #19

A couple of them are now on ignore. I just won't engage in DU 3 what i did in 2 Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #31

I know he's your dad, and it's charming that you're defending him EvolveOrConvolve Dec 2011 #63

I understand that and appreciate the way you have responded here. cbayer Dec 2011 #88

You had me until you started to make things up. cleanhippie Dec 2011 #100

As I have not excercised a single option available to me as a group host, cbayer Dec 2011 #101

So who are these skepticscott Dec 2011 #106

She will not say, I'm sure. To do so would only confirm what "we" already know. cleanhippie Jan 2012 #139

I think a real apology would have gone a long way to soothing some hurt feelings EvolveOrConvolve Dec 2011 #105

This is one of the most thoughtful and insightful posts I have read concerning cbayer Dec 2011 #115

The habit of bestowing blessings skepticscott Dec 2011 #118

It never occured to me that giving someone kudos on a post cbayer Dec 2011 #119

Uh, you tell them skepticscott Dec 2011 #121

Again, I see your point. cbayer Dec 2011 #122

Just another point, as I dwell on this. cbayer Dec 2011 #123

Yes, that does happen, and such statements are generally made skepticscott Jan 2012 #137

Me too! EvolveOrConvolve Dec 2011 #127

In real life tama Jan 2012 #136

So how do you square your statement that skepticscott Dec 2011 #18

Wow, you really helped me make my point here. cbayer Dec 2011 #20

Yes, he looked for the truth, and he found it. laconicsax Dec 2011 #21

Or perhaps it's is just one person's personal perspective and another's personal perspective. cbayer Dec 2011 #22

I think your judgement may be clouded in this case. n/t laconicsax Dec 2011 #23

I don't know about my judgement, but I do know my father. cbayer Dec 2011 #25

Wow. No one called anyone a liar, but you felt the need to say that. cleanhippie Dec 2011 #28

"You just never get tired of making things up, do you?" cbayer Dec 2011 #29

Like I stated, your comment served no purpose other than to shut down cleanhippie Dec 2011 #32

Well, please provide us with your explanation skepticscott Dec 2011 #37

Apparently you have no explanation skepticscott Dec 2011 #109

My only explanation is that different people have different perceptions cbayer Dec 2011 #117

Sheesh, did you even read my question? skepticscott Dec 2011 #120

Which doesn't even come close to explaining skepticscott Dec 2011 #24

Your linked article doesn't say anything about people not hearing cbayer Dec 2011 #26

Just to say, she's not seeing any outrage. laconicsax Dec 2011 #27

The article says that the artist's wife skepticscott Dec 2011 #36

The OP lives in the community Irishonly Dec 2011 #45

Do you have evidence that skepticscott Dec 2011 #47

Looking for alternative Irishonly Dec 2011 #52

Do you have any EVIDENCE skepticscott Dec 2011 #64

Why don't you tell me when the wife was asked? Irishonly Dec 2011 #66

Gee, how about evidence from the person quoted skepticscott Dec 2011 #107

My opinion because I am not going to post link after link that wouldn't be believed anyway Irishonly Dec 2011 #110

I saw this on latest threads. I try to avoid this group Irishonly Dec 2011 #111

Would you be comfortable saying why you avoid this group? cbayer Dec 2011 #116

I am not comfortable with the snarking that goes on in here Irishonly Dec 2011 #124

Thanks for that. I hope you will reconsider and cbayer Dec 2011 #125

He found it because it was there. Iggo Dec 2011 #56

I know where the church is. n/t Irishonly Dec 2011 #39

Irish, good to know you are in the community. Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #40

If there's so much outrage, why hasn't the Ms. Zachary noticed it? laconicsax Dec 2011 #41

Bye. n/t cleanhippie Dec 2011 #42

She will be at the community-wide rally tonight nt Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #50

That's nice, now can you answer my question? laconicsax Dec 2011 #57

I love Pilgrim Place Irishonly Dec 2011 #43

Next year at the festival stop by the arts booth and see some of my paintings and cards. nt Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #51

We have seen each other Irishonly Dec 2011 #53

They are my neighbors and old friends. Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #60

Two of the most wonderful people put on the face of the earth. Irishonly Dec 2011 #61

Face it, you made things up skepticscott Dec 2011 #46

I guess I just don't get your agenda here. cbayer Dec 2011 #48

I guess I just don't get why you are answering for your father and not seeing the problem here. cleanhippie Dec 2011 #54

+1 Heddi Dec 2011 #58

+1 wakemeupwhenitsover Dec 2011 #75

+1 Heddi Dec 2011 #77

This message was self-deleted by its author cbayer Dec 2011 #84

This message was self-deleted by its author cbayer Dec 2011 #85

I have every right to defend anyone I want, and I particularly have the right to cbayer Dec 2011 #82

Oh please...threatened?? skepticscott Dec 2011 #112

Post removed Post removed Jan 2012 #140

So when falsehoods, inaccuracies and contradictions skepticscott Dec 2011 #65

Please. I never "attacked" him for a grammatical error. Goblinmonger Dec 2011 #71

You backed off and even apologized, and my respsect for your increased exponentially cbayer Dec 2011 #83

The gays who were the butt of the action can't be married in the UMC church where the nativity was, Critters2 Dec 2011 #69

Place not Pines Irishonly Dec 2011 #44

This story has reached China. rug Dec 2011 #67

The United Methodist Church is not welcoming of lgbt people. Its policies are the same as those of Critters2 Dec 2011 #68

In response concerning "Bigotry Abounds" Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #72

You know, Charles... laconicsax Dec 2011 #73

+1 wakemeupwhenitsover Dec 2011 #76

+1 Heddi Dec 2011 #78

The United Methodist Church world wide, Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #89

You want to hear how I'm involved in the struggle to make the UMC less homophobic? laconicsax Dec 2011 #92

Please don't blame it entirely on the African bishops. LiberalAndProud Dec 2011 #103

participate? Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #91

And about half of those are you chit-chatting with a neighbor. laconicsax Dec 2011 #93

seven ain't bad. Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #95

You mean thank them for doing the right thing for a change? laconicsax Dec 2011 #97

That church has a long distinguish record of supporting Gay causes--with persons, money and Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #98

"I'll respond--and do--to serious questions..." I look forward to seeing this change. n/t laconicsax Dec 2011 #99

As do many other Methodist congregations across the country but I guess that counts for nothing here Leontius Dec 2011 #102

"They have already performed gay ceremonies." LiberalAndProud Dec 2011 #104

"But I will no longer engage in useless diatribes. " Does that mean you are done posting? cleanhippie Jan 2012 #141

Your questions were not legitimate, they were nit-picking and your conclusion is wrong. kwassa Dec 2011 #113

Interesting...a Christian and an atheist make the same claim and you go after the atheist... laconicsax Dec 2011 #114

Not that interesting, and you make my point for me. kwassa Dec 2011 #128

Are you serious? laconicsax Dec 2011 #130

Yes, I am serious. kwassa Jan 2012 #131

So you don't see calling homosexuality a "practice" as homophobic. laconicsax Jan 2012 #132

Thank you for not answering my question. kwassa Jan 2012 #133

Your quasi-appeal to tradition is cute. laconicsax Jan 2012 #134

So is your lack of historical knowledge. kwassa Jan 2012 #148

Rationalize all you want. You are defending homophobia. n/t laconicsax Jan 2012 #149

Because you say so? Oh, please. kwassa Jan 2012 #150

Please point out where you've condemned homophobia in this thread. laconicsax Jan 2012 #151

But I thought you had them all on ignore. Iggo Dec 2011 #74

Uhm, Yeah, Charles. Its us, not you. cleanhippie Dec 2011 #81

another modest reply deacon_sephiroth Dec 2011 #86

At the risk of getting this deleted or hidden wakemeupwhenitsover Dec 2011 #79

Bwahahahahahahaha! cleanhippie Dec 2011 #80

well, if I'm on the jury, you're safe. n/t deacon_sephiroth Dec 2011 #87

Thanks wmuwio! cbayer Dec 2011 #90

+1 wakemeupwhenitsover Dec 2011 #94

Aw, c'mon. You can do better than that. cbayer Dec 2011 #96

Sure could if Skinner would wakemeupwhenitsover Jan 2012 #138

Oh, SNAP!!!!! cleanhippie Jan 2012 #142

rofl Heddi Jan 2012 #143

So you want the church praised for doing the "right" thing? mr blur Dec 2011 #126

I think the church should be praised for doing the right thing. kwassa Dec 2011 #129

That wasn't the point of the OP mr blur Jan 2012 #135

no, it is the point of the OP kwassa Jan 2012 #144

You have no idea what I 'm talking about? mr blur Jan 2012 #145

You would do well to try. kwassa Jan 2012 #147

I don't have any idea either. cordelia Jan 2012 #146