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Starboard Tack

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49. I don't know what that has to do with tolerance. Maybe you'd care to explain.
Mon Aug 27, 2012, 06:39 PM
Aug 2012

I have had that discussion with him and it was a discussion of opinion. An opinion I do not agree with, but I understand the logic behind it. You really should try to get beyond your own prejudice. I know it's hard when friends say things, based on their faith, that seem so absurd, but there is no productive conversation if it is peppered with ridicule from either side.

What do you think of someone who claims "The only way forward is secularism"? Do you think that person is tolerant and inclusive, or rigid and exclusive. To my ear, it sounds no better than someone saying "The only way is through Jesus." Charles and I both believe that the only way forward is by being inclusive and being open to people of all faiths and beliefs, or lack thereof. We share a disdain for extremism and bigotry.

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So Goblinmonger Aug 2012 #1
No, just some atheists suck. The whiners, intolerants, exclusionists, haters, mockers, extremists Starboard Tack Aug 2012 #8
"No, just some atheists suck...The rest of us don't." cleanhippie Aug 2012 #11
"I'm a lifelong atheist but..." 2ndAmForComputers Aug 2012 #21
You edited the middle part. Which group do you belong to? Starboard Tack Aug 2012 #25
Wow. You are a real piece of work aren't you. Goblinmonger Aug 2012 #27
Love the guy. Very giving, very open, very tolerant. Starboard Tack Aug 2012 #28
That's right, ST stands up against those awful, bigoted, intolerant "New Atheists." eqfan592 Aug 2012 #44
Nonsense! He stands up to bigotry and intolerance from wherever it emanates, as do I. Starboard Tack Aug 2012 #46
I did not know that being "tolerant" meant... trotsky Aug 2012 #45
I don't know what that has to do with tolerance. Maybe you'd care to explain. Starboard Tack Aug 2012 #49
Are you capable of arguing a point without accusing your opponent... trotsky Aug 2012 #50
Absolutely. Especially if I have a point to argue. Starboard Tack Aug 2012 #52
Nor does being intolerant make you my enemy. trotsky Aug 2012 #53
Yeah, with every post I don't imagine it can get any worse. eqfan592 Aug 2012 #43
Your comment alone made the wait worthwhile. Goblinmonger Aug 2012 #23
Excellent, on both counts. I try and bike riding is good for body and soul. I do it every day. Starboard Tack Aug 2012 #26
I just started "real" bike riding this year. Goblinmonger Aug 2012 #29
Good for you. Cycling is an excellent way to keep in shape. Starboard Tack Aug 2012 #31
Lets get this straight LARED Aug 2012 #2
That's the way I read it. cordelia Aug 2012 #3
Mmm, that's some tasty Christian privilege. (nt) eqfan592 Aug 2012 #4
How is this policy a Christian privilege? LARED Aug 2012 #5
Aw, c'mon, this is utterly ridiculous. cbayer Aug 2012 #6
"If we all lived in the radiant love of Christ, these fights would cease." cleanhippie Aug 2012 #13
Gee, the media only tells you things you think are ridiculous. Goblinmonger Aug 2012 #32
So what this boils down to is that: okasha Aug 2012 #47
And even the Catholic can go to breakfast and skip mass, lol! cbayer Aug 2012 #48
Very true. okasha Aug 2012 #74
If I recall correctly, the only rule is that you can't participate in communion. cbayer Aug 2012 #75
That's the official rule. okasha Aug 2012 #81
No, that's what YOU have boiled it down to. cleanhippie Aug 2012 #76
Except that as a non-Christian okasha Aug 2012 #82
This is clearly aimed at encouraging attendance at the religious service. Silent3 Aug 2012 #51
So what if it encourages attendance at the mass? cbayer Aug 2012 #54
It privileges those who really want to attend the mass... Silent3 Aug 2012 #56
It's not a privilege. It's a choice. cbayer Aug 2012 #58
There's discrimination great and small. Silent3 Aug 2012 #60
I strongly suspect that your position of privilege is looking squarely down on me. cbayer Aug 2012 #63
Which position of privilege would be mine? Silent3 Aug 2012 #64
You assume much and reveal little. cbayer Aug 2012 #66
Go ahead and take it personally if you wish. Silent3 Aug 2012 #72
Why do you think I have christian privilege? cbayer Aug 2012 #73
Yes, it seems it does. LARED Aug 2012 #55
It is a bad thing... Silent3 Aug 2012 #57
Abuse of public lands? Seriously? LARED Aug 2012 #59
Abuse of the right to use public lands by using them... Silent3 Aug 2012 #61
Perhaps you mean misuse rather than abuse? LARED Aug 2012 #62
So you do see the problem... Silent3 Aug 2012 #65
Yes, he realizes that there IS discrimination here... cleanhippie Aug 2012 #67
Whoa, wrong again. shocking. nt LARED Aug 2012 #69
Whatever you say, LaRed. cleanhippie Aug 2012 #70
You broke my irony meter. nt LARED Aug 2012 #77
I don't think you are using that word correctly. cleanhippie Aug 2012 #80
Oh, I am and you know it. LARED Aug 2012 #83
What I see is there may be a few that LARED Aug 2012 #68
Your analogy sucks because this isn't at all like going a very tiny amount... Silent3 Aug 2012 #71
Sorry you don't like my analogy, but it makes no difference. LARED Aug 2012 #78
The problem for atheists is becoming Leontius Aug 2012 #7
When the real wolf comes, the atheists will already be long gone. onager Aug 2012 #9
Then maybe if you quit pissing away all credibility over bs like this Leontius Aug 2012 #10
"If we all lived in the radiant love of Christ, these fights would cease." cleanhippie Aug 2012 #14
Speaking of credibility Leontius Aug 2012 #22
. cleanhippie Aug 2012 #24
"If we all lived in the radiant love of Christ, these fights would cease." cleanhippie Aug 2012 #12
What does that have to do with the allegation of breaking a law? nt LARED Aug 2012 #15
Lol, he's either the most sarcastic bishop to ever wear a miter or he's a blithering idiot. rug Aug 2012 #16
Perhaps, but the denial of christian privilege in this thread cleanhippie Aug 2012 #17
Meh. It's a lot more about selective outrage than it is about privilege. rug Aug 2012 #18
Sarcasm? Really? cleanhippie Aug 2012 #19
It's one of two possibilities. rug Aug 2012 #20
let's see: Mass usually clocks in about 1 hour to 90 minutes WolverineDG Aug 2012 #30
Fuck Christian privilege. trotsky Aug 2012 #33
Fuck red herrings. rug Aug 2012 #34
Yeah, those too. trotsky Aug 2012 #35
"nasty, bitter, judgmental assholes" rug Aug 2012 #36
Yup. trotsky Aug 2012 #37
Me too. rug Aug 2012 #38
I dunno, I'm still waiting for an apology on another thread... trotsky Aug 2012 #39
Me too. rug Aug 2012 #40
What isn't false? trotsky Aug 2012 #41
Lol, kick away! rug Aug 2012 #42
How is this any different from movie theaters charging different prices for different times? ButterflyBlood Aug 2012 #79
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