Does the book of Isaiah say anything about Jesus of Nazareth?

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38. Well I can forgive you for misreading my sentence about Jefferson

As I misread yours about Jewish scholars

But I actually said that Jefferson was a "Deist issuing an apologia in respect of the Bible". Apologia are the words issued in rebuttal of and defense against charges brought against person or item and Jefferson was rebutting the idea that the biblical Jesus said the things that 18th century Deists found objectionable. Apologetics is a particular area of study in various Christian faiths but apologia are not exclusive to Christianity; people who issue apologia are also termed "apologetics" although they may take no part in the Christian system of Apologetics. Thus it is possible for there to be Muslim, Hindu or Mormon apologetics, indeed your dictionary's definition of apologetics ignores both Mormon and Islamic schools of Apologetics.

The idea, implied above, that Mormonism is not of Christianity is not one that I hold to, although I am contradicting to the expressed opinion of 19th century Mormon teachers and also of mainstream Christians who know Mormonism denies the unity of the Trinity. The fact that I see your faith as a Christian one, in the same way as Mormonism, should give you cause to ponder how different it is from the faith you apparently discard. The idea that quote mining other faiths for support of yours make yours somehow different from your source faith is nonsensical; you might as well invent a whole new holy book.

You do like to quote mine and you have done so to me. I view your your differentiation of Messiah and Saviour as verbal froth because I deny that either term has any connection to reality. The arguing over verbal differences that are insignificant to the outsider is a well tried apologetic technique.

Now ecstasy, the precise definition of which includes “carried away in spirit”. You do realise that countless millions of people have experienced ecstasy? Having an ecstatic experience does not render you especially blessed or especially insightful, it just makes you part of the vast commonality of human experience. Pentecostalists experience ecstasy at every service (sometimes personally), part of the core experience of t'ai chi is the ecstatic moment and the core of shamanism are similar ecstasies. Do you not find it strange that only the odd one or two find in this the inspiration to teach others how wrong they are?