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105. Why not? I think most organized groups experience schisms at times. Even loosely organized groups.

Sun Sep 2, 2012, 05:15 PM

Sep 2012

Doesn't seem to matter what issue / activity people coalesce around, at some point there are inevitable differences of opinion, disagreements and sometimes schism.

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Is American atheism heading for a schism? [View all] rug Sep 2012 OP

What a crock Angry Dragon Sep 2012 #1

Careful, that puts you in the notAtheism+ group. rug Sep 2012 #2

What group are you in?? Angry Dragon Sep 2012 #23

Neither. rug Sep 2012 #24

Do you follow the path that Christ taught or Angry Dragon Sep 2012 #30

I only do whatever you say I should do. rug Sep 2012 #32

A person that has no principles nor beliefs Angry Dragon Sep 2012 #34

It's my cross to bear. rug Sep 2012 #39

So now you are putting yourself on the same level as Jesus Christ?? Angry Dragon Sep 2012 #110

It's Ok, Dragon rug just likes muddy the waters intaglio Sep 2012 #46

Hmmm, ad hominems are the hallmark of a weak argument. rug Sep 2012 #60

I will leave you to the job MineralMan Sep 2012 #71

It's a small task. rug Sep 2012 #75

I know he does not like to answer questions and cbayer has already chimed in Angry Dragon Sep 2012 #111

Yep. djean111 Sep 2012 #3

So do you have a problem with others who think they can effect Leontius Sep 2012 #21

Yep. djean111 Sep 2012 #31

These are hard times for the organized non-religious. Buzz Clik Sep 2012 #4

Horse dodo on "evangelical atheism"... rexcat Sep 2012 #36

Here's a definition with a link: Buzz Clik Sep 2012 #44

Nothing like "militant atheist" crap... rexcat Sep 2012 #120

You've never heard Richard Dawkins speak? Buzz Clik Sep 2012 #122

Yes I have... rexcat Sep 2012 #132

Perhaps, but he delivers it with a militant and crusading zeal. cbayer Sep 2012 #134

Oh, FFS. cleanhippie Sep 2012 #135

More like... rexcat Sep 2012 #143

Never said they were the same. cleanhippie Sep 2012 #146

Totally understand... rexcat Sep 2012 #149

Where should I put you? rug Sep 2012 #150

I don't really care where you put me... rexcat Sep 2012 #152

Just as well. rug Sep 2012 #153

There you go. rexcat Sep 2012 #154

Nope, there you went. rug Sep 2012 #155

But you never made it... rexcat Sep 2012 #157

I disagree, he expresses his opinions... rexcat Sep 2012 #141

I think when a speaker is expressing ideas with which one agrees, one may cbayer Sep 2012 #145

I have never heard Dawkins say he was a... rexcat Sep 2012 #148

Taking on others does not make one militant. cbayer Sep 2012 #156

Not personal at all... rexcat Sep 2012 #158

When I talk about people defining themselves, I am clearly talking cbayer Sep 2012 #159

Strange - pretty sure you posted on the thread ABOUT Dawkins' uncertainty. dmallind Sep 2012 #161

Not sure what you are talking about. cbayer Sep 2012 #162

You can not be serious. cordelia Sep 2012 #124

Yes I am serious... rexcat Sep 2012 #133

My point is that you said you don't see any atheists crusading, cordelia Sep 2012 #164

That is your opinion... rexcat Sep 2012 #165

A look at the DU website edhopper Sep 2012 #5

Well yes, but we are arguing about something. rug Sep 2012 #6

Do you spend any time here? edhopper Sep 2012 #7

On occasion. rug Sep 2012 #10

Because I have seen edhopper Sep 2012 #13

That is a miniscule number of threads. Check GD, P2012, GR and LBN just today. rug Sep 2012 #14

So you have done a calculation on these examples compared to edhopper Sep 2012 #15

Lol. rug Sep 2012 #18

Huh? edhopper Sep 2012 #19

No, I'm simply making a point about human organization. rug Sep 2012 #25

I call bullshit edhopper Sep 2012 #33

You can call it Richard for all that it matters. rug Sep 2012 #40

Sure for you edhopper Sep 2012 #42

Try asking rug a question and he'll dodge intaglio Sep 2012 #48

Yes, I am utterly incapable of reasoning. rug Sep 2012 #59

There's vey little looking involved. rug Sep 2012 #57

Curious here: What about the difference between non-belief vs. positing nonexistence? patrice Sep 2012 #65

You are reading too much into my reply edhopper Sep 2012 #130

How can you turn atheism into a belief system? nt Progressive dog Sep 2012 #8

That's two votes for notAtheism+. rug Sep 2012 #9

That's not my understanding of that POV. I understand them to be saying: patrice Sep 2012 #72

Perhaps "simple atheism" is a better phrase. rug Sep 2012 #74

Dont worry rug will continue with his non-sequiturs intaglio Sep 2012 #49

Well aren't you the buzzing fly. rug Sep 2012 #62

You wish. mr blur Sep 2012 #11

I don't wish. I observe. rug Sep 2012 #12

Firstly - there is no schism where there is no central organisation intaglio Sep 2012 #16

Believers go to church on Sundays. salvorhardin Sep 2012 #17

If "church" is community, which I think its etymology in the OED supports, believers make themselves patrice Sep 2012 #85

How is "American Atheism" different from any other sort of MineralMan Sep 2012 #20

That has been commented on often here. rug Sep 2012 #26

"phenomenon of atheism?" MineralMan Sep 2012 #47

"There is no such thing." rug Sep 2012 #66

You are, indeed, wasting your time. MineralMan Sep 2012 #70

You are my go-to poster for wasting time. rug Sep 2012 #76

I think not, based on looking at MineralMan Sep 2012 #79

There is a lower proportion of waste in those threads than, for example, this exchange. rug Sep 2012 #81

Like it or not, they certainly are garnering a lot of attention. cbayer Sep 2012 #22

It's internet commenters, not "those already established" muriel_volestrangler Sep 2012 #108

I wasn't clear, I think. I don't see a relationship between the anti-theists and misogynists. cbayer Sep 2012 #115

We're a group? When are our meetings? JoePhilly Sep 2012 #27

Assuming you're from Philly, take your pick: rug Sep 2012 #28

Secularist and Humanist edhopper Sep 2012 #35

I didn't name the groups. rug Sep 2012 #37

Overlap? edhopper Sep 2012 #41

I'm pretty sure American Atheists, Inc. are atheists. rug Sep 2012 #54

American Atheists has about 2200 members. MineralMan Sep 2012 #61

I agree there's a lot of silliness. rug Sep 2012 #63

Anyone can form a group and claim that the group represents MineralMan Sep 2012 #68

Don't worry. Nobody is coming to drag you out of spendid isolation. rug Sep 2012 #73

I think the difference between you two on that matter is whether the organ is intentional or patrice Sep 2012 #91

Any/all atheists may be secularists and/or humanists, but not all secularists and/or humanists patrice Sep 2012 #90

I grew up in Philly, but I haven't lived there for a long time. JoePhilly Sep 2012 #101

I know, right? Shadowflash Sep 2012 #29

This site will tell you how to do it. rug Sep 2012 #38

Dang! Shadowflash Sep 2012 #43

Malicious misinterpretation, your stock in trade intaglio Sep 2012 #50

What?!? Now you accuse me of stealing from Buddhists!?! rug Sep 2012 #56

Yup, stealing from Buddhists intaglio Sep 2012 #64

And? rug Sep 2012 #67

You could not answer the question so you stole the answer intaglio Sep 2012 #77

You're beginning to remind me of reincarnation. rug Sep 2012 #84

Another nonsequitur intaglio Sep 2012 #86

I lost the trail after you accused me of stealing from Buddhists. rug Sep 2012 #87

Proved you stole from Buddhism with a link n/t intaglio Sep 2012 #88

Lol, sure you did. rug Sep 2012 #89

non-responsive, childish - religious I suppose n/t intaglio Sep 2012 #92

I would call your response rational and logical but I really can't, try as I may. rug Sep 2012 #107

That's fine, I have no objection to your childishness intaglio Sep 2012 #113

I did wonder about what would take place at the meetings. JoePhilly Sep 2012 #102

The "passionate" world of atheism??? What BS. Most atheists marybourg Sep 2012 #45

Most believers want nothing more than to be left alone, as well. cbayer Sep 2012 #55

Isn't every Christian told to "save others"? JNelson6563 Sep 2012 #80

Nope. Your experience is clearly limited. cbayer Sep 2012 #83

Perhaps you are right. JNelson6563 Sep 2012 #116

Oh my goodness, Julie. You are a literalist! cbayer Sep 2012 #117

So you're not a literalist? Goblinmonger Sep 2012 #118

Some might be considered them "partial" literalist... rexcat Sep 2012 #121

lolz Yeah, that's it. JNelson6563 Sep 2012 #123

Well, that's a really rude thing to say. cbayer Sep 2012 #125

OMG, are you SERIOUSLY complaining about someone being "rude"? cleanhippie Sep 2012 #126

You expected something different? cordelia Sep 2012 #127

No, not really. cbayer Sep 2012 #128

NO. Those are those fucking Paulists!! Christianity actually co-evolved in a context with patrice Sep 2012 #95

No. cordelia Sep 2012 #96

Jesus was a liberator. It's not his fault a bunch of slavers came along & started marketing him. nt patrice Sep 2012 #97

Many interpret "The Great Commission" as applying to everyone muriel_volestrangler Sep 2012 #106

atheists organizing other atheists around issues beyond atheism does not a schism make. Warren Stupidity Sep 2012 #51

There's an atheism identity movement? MyshkinCommaPrince Sep 2012 #52

That's a salient point. rug Sep 2012 #69

I think it may be a case of bad framing...? MyshkinCommaPrince Sep 2012 #78

Keep posting. rug Sep 2012 #82

+1 patrice Sep 2012 #98

I think non-theist and anti-theist are the most obvious of the distinctions and am cbayer Sep 2012 #99

The answer is no and the reason is obvious... Kalidurga Sep 2012 #53

If you are unaware of the myriad of associations purporting to represents atheists, secularists cbayer Sep 2012 #58

Thank you for making my point. Kalidurga Sep 2012 #93

Christians are clearly divided, though they share some things in common. cbayer Sep 2012 #94

And, since there's nothing there to divide to begin with, that isn't un-atheistic. patrice Sep 2012 #100

Non-god will send heretical atheists' non-souls to non-hell. nt Deep13 Sep 2012 #103

That's comforting. rug Sep 2012 #104

Actually, I think it is. Deep13 Sep 2012 #112

Why not? I think most organized groups experience schisms at times. Even loosely organized groups. pinto Sep 2012 #105

trenches have been dug........ dimbear Sep 2012 #109

Does "Atheist+" have a website? nt Deep13 Sep 2012 #114

Here's what he's referring to: rug Sep 2012 #119

thanks nt Deep13 Sep 2012 #137

So far, it's just a forum muriel_volestrangler Sep 2012 #139

Thanks for the link. It looks like it was started 6 days ago. rug Sep 2012 #142

Anyone else developed a headache after reading this thread? darkangel218 Sep 2012 #129

You know this is very much like YankeyMCC Sep 2012 #131

You mean in the way that no one is actually having that dispute? cleanhippie Sep 2012 #136

No one and if there are YankeyMCC Sep 2012 #138

An Onion headline. Exactly. cleanhippie Sep 2012 #140

You should follow this discussion. rug Sep 2012 #144

Just got an account there! cleanhippie Sep 2012 #147

Sounds like some corners of DU! MADem Sep 2012 #151

No - there is nothing to schism from, since there is no creed dmallind Sep 2012 #160

Surely that would require a creed first? Prophet 451 Sep 2012 #163

Wow. Talk about making a mountain out of a molehill. backscatter712 Sep 2012 #166