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SarahM32

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54. 'Tis the other way around.
Mon Sep 3, 2012, 04:26 PM
Sep 2012

Jefferson was not "issuing a defense of his imagination of Jesus," and Jefferson was not an Apologist. In fact, in editing the New Testament, Jefferson was merely pointed out the "lovely benevolence" of the universally true words of Jesus, and he edited out and rejected and refuted all the "corruptions" and supernatural elements in the doctrines and dogma in the church canon.

As for Issa, Ancient scrolls revealed that Jesus spent seventeen years in India and Tibet. From age thirteen to age twenty-nine, he was both a student and teacher of Buddhists and Hindus. The story of his journey from Jerusalem to Benares was recorded by Brahman historians, and they know him and love him as Issa.

In 1894 Nicolas Notovitch published a book called The Unknown Life of Christ. He was a Russian doctor who journeyed extensively throughout Afghanistan, India, and Tibet. Notovitch traveled to Ladak, and into the Himalayas. While in Ladak, he was injured and stayed at the Himis Buddhist Convent. While he was there, he learned or ancient records of the life of Jesus Christ and he found a Tibetan translation of the legend. He employed translators and copied the book or scroll known as "The Life of Saint Issa," and he renamed his translation.

However, when Notovitch returned home he was met with much resistance and controversy over the authenticity of the document. He was accused of perpetrating a hoax, and he was ridiculed as a phoney. He remained steadfast, and advised scientific researchers to confirm the story.

A Hindu skeptic, Swami Abhedananda, who doubted the story, went to the Himalayas determined to either find the Himis manuscript about Issa, or to expose Notivitch as a fraud. Abhedananda’s book of travels, entitled Kashmir O Tibetti, tells that he did visit the Himis monastery and includes a Bengali translation of two hundred twenty-four verses which are essentially identical to the Notovitch translation. Abhedananda was thus convinced of the authenticity of the Issa story.

In 1925, another Russian, a philosopher and scientist named Nicholas Roerich arrived at Himis. Roerich saw the same documents as Notovitch and Abhedananda, and he also recorded the same story of Saint Issa. Speaking of Issa, Roerich quoted: “Issa stayed in several ancient cities of India such as Benares. All loved him because Issa dwelt in peace with Vaishas and Shudras whom he instructed and helped.”

However, some Hindus hated what Issa said about idols, because they did not realize that the statues of the Hindu “gods” were symbols for the many aspects of Brahman (God), so he left and went into Nepal and into the Himalayan mountains. After a time, Issa went to Ladak, Leh, and he taught in the monasteries and in the bazaars (the market places).

Unfortunately, even though many Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims, progressive Christians and others acknowledge the story, here is much dispute now about it. The fundamentalist American Christian Right considers such a claim “blasphemous,” and because of the controversies, the Buddhist monastery has since also denied the story and the scrolls about Issa are missing.

The evidence provided by Notovitch, Abhedananda and Roerich speaks for itself, however. And it is confirmed by the fact that the basic, core teachings of Jesus/Issa are very similar to Siddhartha Gautama the Buddha, as is explained in books like Jesus and Buddha: The Parallel Sayings, by Marcus Borg et al, and Going Home: Jesus and Buddha as Brothers, by Thich Nhat Hanh, and in other books on the subject. Furthermore, it is confirmed by the fact that Jesus spoke as a Hindu Avatar, speaking as, but for, the Ancient One and the Holy One who is within, above and around us all.

As for ecstasy, as I've already discussed, you are talking about lesser experiences. But that is not to lessen their importance or impact, or profundity. Even relatively small or short experiences of ecstasy are wonderful and awesome, and some of them can cause the person who experienced them to feel as if it was the ultimate experience -- hence the tendency for them to develop messianic complexes and other kinds of self-delusion.
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Interesting. MineralMan Aug 2012 #1
As a seminary graduate I'd say: Ezlivin Aug 2012 #2
As a scholar help me out here please - Nazareth wasn't in the Bible? dballance Aug 2012 #3
I don't recall discussing that in seminary Ezlivin Aug 2012 #11
So the seminary does not cover the whole Bible in their classes? LiberalFighter Aug 2012 #16
No, not at all Ezlivin Aug 2012 #17
I wasn't referring to Nazareth or anything like that. LiberalFighter Aug 2012 #18
We covered it all Ezlivin Aug 2012 #19
Thank you for the insight. LiberalFighter Aug 2012 #20
I hope not Ezlivin Aug 2012 #24
Madelyn Murray O'Hare and Jim Morrison were seminary students alfredo Aug 2012 #26
Jesus being "from Nazareth" or being a "Nazarene" is mentioned 28 times in the NT. SarahM32 Aug 2012 #12
Thanks for the info. Which Bible Version? dballance Aug 2012 #14
Here are the numbers from KJV and NIV SarahM32 Aug 2012 #23
Most seminary graduates would not say no. They're taught the answer is yes. SarahM32 Aug 2012 #7
K&R - I want to hear from someone who knows the answers to the poster and the commenters. northoftheborder Aug 2012 #4
You're asking for a bit too much. An area of a great deal of disagreement. dimbear Aug 2012 #28
The three Isaiah and Jesus Thats my opinion Aug 2012 #5
Yes, many scholars say the book of Isaiah had three authors. But ... SarahM32 Aug 2012 #10
3 authors from 3 completely diferent periods of Judean History intaglio Aug 2012 #22
The translated quote from Isaiah that you include has a lot of the same cbayer Aug 2012 #6
Handel uses several exclusively Old Testament texts--and this is one. nt Thats my opinion Aug 2012 #8
Handel used Isaiah's words. SarahM32 Aug 2012 #9
Interesting website. Linguistically, historically I'm interested in the course of bible translations pinto Aug 2012 #13
Background and purpose of the site. SarahM32 Aug 2012 #15
One big problem intaglio Aug 2012 #21
It's not really a problem. SarahM32 Aug 2012 #25
The site you so proudly promote intaglio Aug 2012 #27
Not so. In fact, the site refutes the theology of Christian Apologetics. SarahM32 Aug 2012 #29
Being Jeffersonian does not mean that you abandon apologetics intaglio Aug 2012 #30
Intaglio, I disagree. And here's why: SarahM32 Aug 2012 #32
I said he was an apologist. Many faiths have apologists intaglio Aug 2012 #35
No. Jefferson was not an Apologist. And furthermore ... SarahM32 Aug 2012 #36
Well I can forgive you for misreading my sentence about Jefferson intaglio Aug 2012 #38
Well, since you put it that way ... I will say this: SarahM32 Sep 2012 #48
There are literary apologists intaglio Sep 2012 #49
Oh brother. SarahM32 Sep 2012 #50
You have stopped listening intaglio Sep 2012 #51
'Tis the other way around. SarahM32 Sep 2012 #54
You continue in your false description of apologetics intaglio Sep 2012 #55
Please. Let's be accurate. SarahM32 Sep 2012 #57
Again, apologetics is not just Christian, Isa is not the word you used intaglio Sep 2012 #59
Again, that's not relevant and avoids the issue. And ... SarahM32 Sep 2012 #60
I repeat only to be ignored by you again intaglio Sep 2012 #61
Okay, for the last time ... SarahM32 Sep 2012 #62
You distort and ignore, you are trapped in a web of deceit intaglio Sep 2012 #63
The relationship between Old Testament materials Thats my opinion Aug 2012 #31
Well, I wouldn't say that. SarahM32 Aug 2012 #33
Again you are speaking of "The Book of Isaiah" as if it is a singular production intaglio Aug 2012 #34
No, I am not. SarahM32 Aug 2012 #37
A fiat that you are right and others are wrong intaglio Aug 2012 #39
I think both of you have made some serious points. Thats my opinion Aug 2012 #41
Thanks. And ... SarahM32 Aug 2012 #43
Why it's more than mere hope. SarahM32 Sep 2012 #65
It has nothing to do with "profession" or money. SarahM32 Sep 2012 #66
There's an introduction to the 1611 King James Bible by its translators indicating Petrushka Aug 2012 #40
However, Strong in particular, Thats my opinion Aug 2012 #42
Yes. Thank you again. SarahM32 Aug 2012 #45
Petrushka, that's just more Apologetics, and ... SarahM32 Aug 2012 #44
Thanks for the link. Just discovered what the "messenger for the Spirit of truth" believes . . . Petrushka Aug 2012 #46
That story was published in February 2002. There's a more recent one online. SarahM32 Aug 2012 #47
FWIW: The writer of those articles, refers to himself in the thrid person, saying . . . Petrushka Sep 2012 #52
Ah, but you miss some very crucial facts. SarahM32 Sep 2012 #53
"...when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth." ?? Petrushka Sep 2012 #56
So, in other words, you will not address the facts, and simply ignore the truth? SarahM32 Sep 2012 #58
Why it's important that the book of Isaiah is not about Jesus SarahM32 Sep 2012 #64
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