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dmallind

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160. No - there is nothing to schism from, since there is no creed

Mon Sep 3, 2012, 07:47 PM

Sep 2012

kind of definitional, that. There are already dozens of different atheist groups including many that like this one attempt to graft some other cause onto lack of god beliefs. Another one makes no difference at all.

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Is American atheism heading for a schism? [View all] rug Sep 2012 OP

What a crock Angry Dragon Sep 2012 #1

Careful, that puts you in the notAtheism+ group. rug Sep 2012 #2

What group are you in?? Angry Dragon Sep 2012 #23

Neither. rug Sep 2012 #24

Do you follow the path that Christ taught or Angry Dragon Sep 2012 #30

I only do whatever you say I should do. rug Sep 2012 #32

A person that has no principles nor beliefs Angry Dragon Sep 2012 #34

It's my cross to bear. rug Sep 2012 #39

So now you are putting yourself on the same level as Jesus Christ?? Angry Dragon Sep 2012 #110

It's Ok, Dragon rug just likes muddy the waters intaglio Sep 2012 #46

Hmmm, ad hominems are the hallmark of a weak argument. rug Sep 2012 #60

I will leave you to the job MineralMan Sep 2012 #71

It's a small task. rug Sep 2012 #75

I know he does not like to answer questions and cbayer has already chimed in Angry Dragon Sep 2012 #111

Yep. djean111 Sep 2012 #3

So do you have a problem with others who think they can effect Leontius Sep 2012 #21

Yep. djean111 Sep 2012 #31

These are hard times for the organized non-religious. Buzz Clik Sep 2012 #4

Horse dodo on "evangelical atheism"... rexcat Sep 2012 #36

Here's a definition with a link: Buzz Clik Sep 2012 #44

Nothing like "militant atheist" crap... rexcat Sep 2012 #120

You've never heard Richard Dawkins speak? Buzz Clik Sep 2012 #122

Yes I have... rexcat Sep 2012 #132

Perhaps, but he delivers it with a militant and crusading zeal. cbayer Sep 2012 #134

Oh, FFS. cleanhippie Sep 2012 #135

More like... rexcat Sep 2012 #143

Never said they were the same. cleanhippie Sep 2012 #146

Totally understand... rexcat Sep 2012 #149

Where should I put you? rug Sep 2012 #150

I don't really care where you put me... rexcat Sep 2012 #152

Just as well. rug Sep 2012 #153

There you go. rexcat Sep 2012 #154

Nope, there you went. rug Sep 2012 #155

But you never made it... rexcat Sep 2012 #157

I disagree, he expresses his opinions... rexcat Sep 2012 #141

I think when a speaker is expressing ideas with which one agrees, one may cbayer Sep 2012 #145

I have never heard Dawkins say he was a... rexcat Sep 2012 #148

Taking on others does not make one militant. cbayer Sep 2012 #156

Not personal at all... rexcat Sep 2012 #158

When I talk about people defining themselves, I am clearly talking cbayer Sep 2012 #159

Strange - pretty sure you posted on the thread ABOUT Dawkins' uncertainty. dmallind Sep 2012 #161

Not sure what you are talking about. cbayer Sep 2012 #162

You can not be serious. cordelia Sep 2012 #124

Yes I am serious... rexcat Sep 2012 #133

My point is that you said you don't see any atheists crusading, cordelia Sep 2012 #164

That is your opinion... rexcat Sep 2012 #165

A look at the DU website edhopper Sep 2012 #5

Well yes, but we are arguing about something. rug Sep 2012 #6

Do you spend any time here? edhopper Sep 2012 #7

On occasion. rug Sep 2012 #10

Because I have seen edhopper Sep 2012 #13

That is a miniscule number of threads. Check GD, P2012, GR and LBN just today. rug Sep 2012 #14

So you have done a calculation on these examples compared to edhopper Sep 2012 #15

Lol. rug Sep 2012 #18

Huh? edhopper Sep 2012 #19

No, I'm simply making a point about human organization. rug Sep 2012 #25

I call bullshit edhopper Sep 2012 #33

You can call it Richard for all that it matters. rug Sep 2012 #40

Sure for you edhopper Sep 2012 #42

Try asking rug a question and he'll dodge intaglio Sep 2012 #48

Yes, I am utterly incapable of reasoning. rug Sep 2012 #59

There's vey little looking involved. rug Sep 2012 #57

Curious here: What about the difference between non-belief vs. positing nonexistence? patrice Sep 2012 #65

You are reading too much into my reply edhopper Sep 2012 #130

How can you turn atheism into a belief system? nt Progressive dog Sep 2012 #8

That's two votes for notAtheism+. rug Sep 2012 #9

That's not my understanding of that POV. I understand them to be saying: patrice Sep 2012 #72

Perhaps "simple atheism" is a better phrase. rug Sep 2012 #74

Dont worry rug will continue with his non-sequiturs intaglio Sep 2012 #49

Well aren't you the buzzing fly. rug Sep 2012 #62

You wish. mr blur Sep 2012 #11

I don't wish. I observe. rug Sep 2012 #12

Firstly - there is no schism where there is no central organisation intaglio Sep 2012 #16

Believers go to church on Sundays. salvorhardin Sep 2012 #17

If "church" is community, which I think its etymology in the OED supports, believers make themselves patrice Sep 2012 #85

How is "American Atheism" different from any other sort of MineralMan Sep 2012 #20

That has been commented on often here. rug Sep 2012 #26

"phenomenon of atheism?" MineralMan Sep 2012 #47

"There is no such thing." rug Sep 2012 #66

You are, indeed, wasting your time. MineralMan Sep 2012 #70

You are my go-to poster for wasting time. rug Sep 2012 #76

I think not, based on looking at MineralMan Sep 2012 #79

There is a lower proportion of waste in those threads than, for example, this exchange. rug Sep 2012 #81

Like it or not, they certainly are garnering a lot of attention. cbayer Sep 2012 #22

It's internet commenters, not "those already established" muriel_volestrangler Sep 2012 #108

I wasn't clear, I think. I don't see a relationship between the anti-theists and misogynists. cbayer Sep 2012 #115

We're a group? When are our meetings? JoePhilly Sep 2012 #27

Assuming you're from Philly, take your pick: rug Sep 2012 #28

Secularist and Humanist edhopper Sep 2012 #35

I didn't name the groups. rug Sep 2012 #37

Overlap? edhopper Sep 2012 #41

I'm pretty sure American Atheists, Inc. are atheists. rug Sep 2012 #54

American Atheists has about 2200 members. MineralMan Sep 2012 #61

I agree there's a lot of silliness. rug Sep 2012 #63

Anyone can form a group and claim that the group represents MineralMan Sep 2012 #68

Don't worry. Nobody is coming to drag you out of spendid isolation. rug Sep 2012 #73

I think the difference between you two on that matter is whether the organ is intentional or patrice Sep 2012 #91

Any/all atheists may be secularists and/or humanists, but not all secularists and/or humanists patrice Sep 2012 #90

I grew up in Philly, but I haven't lived there for a long time. JoePhilly Sep 2012 #101

I know, right? Shadowflash Sep 2012 #29

This site will tell you how to do it. rug Sep 2012 #38

Dang! Shadowflash Sep 2012 #43

Malicious misinterpretation, your stock in trade intaglio Sep 2012 #50

What?!? Now you accuse me of stealing from Buddhists!?! rug Sep 2012 #56

Yup, stealing from Buddhists intaglio Sep 2012 #64

And? rug Sep 2012 #67

You could not answer the question so you stole the answer intaglio Sep 2012 #77

You're beginning to remind me of reincarnation. rug Sep 2012 #84

Another nonsequitur intaglio Sep 2012 #86

I lost the trail after you accused me of stealing from Buddhists. rug Sep 2012 #87

Proved you stole from Buddhism with a link n/t intaglio Sep 2012 #88

Lol, sure you did. rug Sep 2012 #89

non-responsive, childish - religious I suppose n/t intaglio Sep 2012 #92

I would call your response rational and logical but I really can't, try as I may. rug Sep 2012 #107

That's fine, I have no objection to your childishness intaglio Sep 2012 #113

I did wonder about what would take place at the meetings. JoePhilly Sep 2012 #102

The "passionate" world of atheism??? What BS. Most atheists marybourg Sep 2012 #45

Most believers want nothing more than to be left alone, as well. cbayer Sep 2012 #55

Isn't every Christian told to "save others"? JNelson6563 Sep 2012 #80

Nope. Your experience is clearly limited. cbayer Sep 2012 #83

Perhaps you are right. JNelson6563 Sep 2012 #116

Oh my goodness, Julie. You are a literalist! cbayer Sep 2012 #117

So you're not a literalist? Goblinmonger Sep 2012 #118

Some might be considered them "partial" literalist... rexcat Sep 2012 #121

lolz Yeah, that's it. JNelson6563 Sep 2012 #123

Well, that's a really rude thing to say. cbayer Sep 2012 #125

OMG, are you SERIOUSLY complaining about someone being "rude"? cleanhippie Sep 2012 #126

You expected something different? cordelia Sep 2012 #127

No, not really. cbayer Sep 2012 #128

NO. Those are those fucking Paulists!! Christianity actually co-evolved in a context with patrice Sep 2012 #95

No. cordelia Sep 2012 #96

Jesus was a liberator. It's not his fault a bunch of slavers came along & started marketing him. nt patrice Sep 2012 #97

Many interpret "The Great Commission" as applying to everyone muriel_volestrangler Sep 2012 #106

atheists organizing other atheists around issues beyond atheism does not a schism make. Warren Stupidity Sep 2012 #51

There's an atheism identity movement? MyshkinCommaPrince Sep 2012 #52

That's a salient point. rug Sep 2012 #69

I think it may be a case of bad framing...? MyshkinCommaPrince Sep 2012 #78

Keep posting. rug Sep 2012 #82

+1 patrice Sep 2012 #98

I think non-theist and anti-theist are the most obvious of the distinctions and am cbayer Sep 2012 #99

The answer is no and the reason is obvious... Kalidurga Sep 2012 #53

If you are unaware of the myriad of associations purporting to represents atheists, secularists cbayer Sep 2012 #58

Thank you for making my point. Kalidurga Sep 2012 #93

Christians are clearly divided, though they share some things in common. cbayer Sep 2012 #94

And, since there's nothing there to divide to begin with, that isn't un-atheistic. patrice Sep 2012 #100

Non-god will send heretical atheists' non-souls to non-hell. nt Deep13 Sep 2012 #103

That's comforting. rug Sep 2012 #104

Actually, I think it is. Deep13 Sep 2012 #112

Why not? I think most organized groups experience schisms at times. Even loosely organized groups. pinto Sep 2012 #105

trenches have been dug........ dimbear Sep 2012 #109

Does "Atheist+" have a website? nt Deep13 Sep 2012 #114

Here's what he's referring to: rug Sep 2012 #119

thanks nt Deep13 Sep 2012 #137

So far, it's just a forum muriel_volestrangler Sep 2012 #139

Thanks for the link. It looks like it was started 6 days ago. rug Sep 2012 #142

Anyone else developed a headache after reading this thread? darkangel218 Sep 2012 #129

You know this is very much like YankeyMCC Sep 2012 #131

You mean in the way that no one is actually having that dispute? cleanhippie Sep 2012 #136

No one and if there are YankeyMCC Sep 2012 #138

An Onion headline. Exactly. cleanhippie Sep 2012 #140

You should follow this discussion. rug Sep 2012 #144

Just got an account there! cleanhippie Sep 2012 #147

Sounds like some corners of DU! MADem Sep 2012 #151

No - there is nothing to schism from, since there is no creed dmallind Sep 2012 #160

Surely that would require a creed first? Prophet 451 Sep 2012 #163

Wow. Talk about making a mountain out of a molehill. backscatter712 Sep 2012 #166