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In reply to the discussion: Does the book of Isaiah say anything about Jesus of Nazareth? [View all]intaglio
(8,170 posts)Google "Muslim Apologetics" or "Buddhist Apologetics" or "Hindu Apologetics". Guess what? you get many results and not just from Christian sites.
Apologetics is the practise of issuing apologia
You may continue to lie about it all you please, and bolster your falsehood by use of dubious or incomplete dictionary quotations, but it does not alter the facts of the case.
"Debunkers who never debunked" - proof, or do you just accept the words of your teachers without thought or personal research. Notovich was a known liar. His fantasy journey did not match the topography of Tibet and there are numerous other falsehoods in his work. I did not get that from Wikipedia, it's something I have known since the 70's when I investigated Theosophy and talked to people in Oriental Manuscripts and Printed Books about the substance free confection. Back in the 90's, when I became involved with Forteanism, I rechecked my recollection and found it correct in all respects. Another check on the internet prior to answering your nonsense. I repeat if you believe in Notovich you are believing in a known fraud.
Did you actually read what you quoted from Deardoff? All he is doing is quoting Abhedananda and accepting that persons word as gospel truth.
And how do you get the idea that Abhedananda was a skeptic? Accepting the account you quote;
1) Via a translator he asked to see a particular text;
2) He saw a book;
3) He did not see the text in the book;
4) His translator did not see the text in the book;
5) The Abbot spoke some words that the translator said were from the book;
6) The translator then spoke a supposed translation to Abhedananda;
7) Abhedananda did not even attempt to see the text.
This is not skepticism, this is either blindly accepting the words of 2 others or plausible deniability, personally I suspect the latter.
You also seem to believe that Ume is a dialect, it isn't. It is the name of a script, commonly used across Northern India and the Himalayas, which a Swami could easily have copied even if he did not have the sense of the words. You could copy words in French without knowing their meaning.
Let's add in some other little problems. Where did Abhedananda get the money for his expedition? How was he able to get the permissions? How long did his journey take? Why is there no remembrance of him? Why was there no camera to provide visual evidence of the journey, if not the manuscript. The first of these problems is easily answered, Abhedananda was a known confederate of the Theosophists and they were eager for proof of their ridiculous ideas. Whether he used the money they provided in the way he said is moot.
Of course the same criticisms apply to the Roerich "expedition" with the added frisson that Roerich was a leader of the cult he whose teachings blatantly seeking to confirm.
You again provide a false description of Roerich:
Roerich was an artist. He trained in art in St Petersburg. His works preserved in New York and elsewhere are paintings and some architectural drawings. He and his wife were established leaders of the Theosophical movement. I have highlighted the words to which you should pay attention - as you appear to lack comprehension.
Now Isa or Issa - do make your mind up, at first you tell me that it is the Islamic name for Jesus (Issa) now you say it is the Sanskrit for "Lord" . If there was any such person in the Himalayas and Northern India who was Jesus - why is there no other record except that in one monastery that now denies there was any such document and has no record of the visitors you claim were there? There is less evidence for your version of Jesus than there is for the Biblical one, which means there is none.